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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

schroeding wrote: post #8

Wow, the website of his hosting company[1] is, eh, extremly honest: > Further, as Kosovo is an extremely corrupt country, we are able to bribe both executive and judicative as well as getting information about court orders and raids before execution, enabling us to move servers out of the affected location, protecting our clients in any situation. Our excellent Serbian connections enable us to also move servers cross…

Wouldn't full disclosure make them, in some sense, honest?

Also, you have just condemned entire nations of people, like those who lived under Soviet domination, where bribery became custom, because if you wanted to accomplish anything, you had to bribe the people involved. Just got married and want an apartment for your new family? You could submit a housing application, but it might bubble up to the top of the queue by the time you hit retirement. A bribe given to the woman in the office handling the paperwork can help grease the track. Have a totally curable disease that, without intervention, can kill you? Well, you could have your name added to a long wait list and have your treatment started next year, or you could "gift" your state-pensioned doctor a cognac, some luxury chocolates, and an envelop containing a "tip" to shorten the wait time. Need to travel abroad? Well, guess what. The passport stays with the government for "safe keeping". They might not be in a hurry to let you leave, just yet. However, with a few enticing arrangements and exchanges, you'll be on the next plane headed over the Iron Curtain.

In other words, I'm not convinced bribes are a categorically wrong thing for someone to offer. To receive, on the other hand...

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by brightlancer »

anthk wrote: post #177
haakon wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generated CSAM is equally illegal as "real" CSAM in many countries, such as Norway. Here, even fictional descriptions of such material in written form is illegal.

Even Lolita from Nabokov? Because that book depicted that as joking about the reader and on male society in general, as there was no actual erotism on anything but the narrator's "mind"/protagonist. Similar on how people got Starship Troopers wrong. Is not about cheering fascism, but to ridicule it.

In both the book and the film Starship Troopers:

* persons can choose whether or not to do government service

* Rico's parents are quite rich even though neither are citizens

* the Moral Philosophy class tries to _discourage_ individuals from government service

* the instructor for Moral Philosophy explicitly tries to get the students to think for themselves

In the book but not the film:

* the only benefit of government service is the right to vote

* only veterans (i.e. no active service members) can vote

All of these (and more) are contrary to fascism. The book is not fascist. Verhoeven never read the book and didn't satirize fascism -- he satirized a _caricature_ of fascism.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by tguvot »

DenisM wrote: post #247
sillysaurusx wrote: post #34

The eternal struggle. Information wants to be free, and then people use those freedoms to do the most screwed up things imaginable, and people like this pay the price. It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas. Instead we get one where you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators…

>back then it wasn’t clear that we’d ever be able to have maps at our fingertips regardless of internet access. This was back in the era of that poor CNET reporter that got lost with his family in the mountains precisely because of no maps That was 2007. I had maps of the entire US loaded on my pocket pc circa 2005. Edit: that was “Mapopolis” in my case. There were plenty more: https://wiki.geocaching.com.au/wiki/GPS…

i traveled across europe in car at same time frame with pocket pc (asus mypal) and igo maps loaded on it (still have it in my drawer). those days you can get igo offline maps on android. also sygic.

it was always strange that google maps was accepted as some kind of magic while turn by turn navigation with voice directions was available from mid 2000s

nowdays i always have sygic installed on my phone. came handy when google maps decided to freak out while i was driving through death valley to gas station.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by palata »

wkat4242 wrote: post #60
palata wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even some 3 letter agents can host cp on your tor sites and then accuse you. Well they can probably put illegal material in your apartment and then accuse you.

Yes but you're unlikely to be on their radar, a lot more likely though when you're running exit nodes and your IP comes up in investigations.

Sorry, but I don't think it's quite how it works. Because you show up in an investigation doesn't mean that the police will frame you.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by chollida1 »

rvba wrote: post #260
trogdor wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am all-but-certain that NordVPN doesn't. I am in possession of records from a recent police investigation in which law enforcement subpoenaed NordVPN and the company replied, essentially, that they had no information connecting a particular IP address, at a specific date and time, to any specific user. (I am a reporter who covers law enforcement and crime.)

Looking at the scale of NordVPN they either already have a liason with aurhorities inside, or are hacked by authorities. The (law enforcement) agencies can just go to the few biggest VPN suppliers. Just like they go to FAANG.

> Looking at the scale of NordVPN they either already have a liason with aurhorities inside, or are hacked by authorities.

Based on what? You just seem to be making a wild unsubstantiated conjecture here.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by delecti »

mptest wrote: post #251
delecti wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A former coworker started a startup, and very nearly used it in the name until he was informed of how the UK views the word.

How did nonce get that meaning in the uk? I've always known nonce to be a single use number

Seems it's unclear https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nonce#Etymology_2

> 1975. Unknown, derived from British criminal slang. Several origins have been proposed; possibly derived from dialectal nonce, nonse (“stupid, worthless individual”) (but this cannot be shown to predate nonce "child-molester" and is likely a toned-down usage of the same insult), or Nance, nance (“effeminate man, homosexual”), from nancy or nancyboy. The rhyme with ponce has also been noted.

> As prison slang also said to be an acronym for "Not On Normal Communal Exercise" (Stevens 2012), but this is likely a backronym.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by antod »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #304
sanderjd wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. Isn't it more, "This is why the original cyberpunk dream was always a naive and bad idea"? Like, it appealed to me too when I was young, but then I learned more about humans and our history and ...

Since when was cyberpunk a dream to be pursued? It's the opposite of a naive dream. It's a nightmare full of high tech and people living on scraps, constantly trying to keep up with the tech fallout from big corporations. One of the most iconic places in cyberpunk was literally described as being "like a deranged experiment in social Darwinism, designed by a bored researcher who kept the thumb permantently on the fas…

I think this is the difference between cyberpunk as a fiction genre and the views of the people calling themselves cyberpunks back in the day (or reading the Wired articles about them).

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by dotnet00 »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #286
haakon wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generated CSAM is equally illegal as "real" CSAM in many countries, such as Norway. Here, even fictional descriptions of such material in written form is illegal.

this is possibly because generated CSAM may look like no real human child nor resemble any human child in particular today. give it 5 years and physical distinction from real children and even a specific child is likely to happen. so a photo perfect likeness of your kid ends up in some disgusting video and the creators get off the hook because it's 'not real' by say a narrow color gradiation or kinematic similarity s…

That isn't really much of an issue, some places count material intended to resemble a real child or derived from CSAM (etc a drawing referenced from real CSAM) as still being illegal. That would handily cover the situation you've mentioned.

In those cases, for fictional CSAM to be legal, it has to be completely fictional such that any resemblances can be shown to be completely coincidence.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by hotdogscout »

brightlancer wrote: post #216
sudosysgen wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is saying he should be in jail because he's saying misogynistic stuff. The context of his bragging about corrupt officials was on why his illegal casinos and sex trafficking operations didn't have any problems (while he himself never directly admitted to it, some of his associates tweeted about beating a "girlfriend" who wanted to stop doing webcame shows, and he heavily implies it at time when t…

As a commenter just proved, "nobody is saying" is always false. It may only be a few nutters, but often it's lots and lots of nutters (even prominent members of government). Despite the name, most folks in Western Liberal Democracies who call themselves "liberal" or similar aren't actually interested in liberalism and only want democracy when they win (so they can oppress those who disagree with them).

What do you mean?

If I understood you correctly, it would be something like (as rhetorical example) liberals wanting the government to take action in ensuring same sex marriage even if that goes against the cultural beliefs of the majority?

My rebuttal ,if I understood you, would be to point at the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship of the masses.

You hopefully can't legalize lynching in a liberal democracy even going by their original intent, which includes human rights and civil liberties.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by neilv »

phyzome wrote: post #210

Mods, please add "(2012)" to title...

Or insert something like "[in 2012]". It's a new article about a case a decade ago.

IMHO, this happening today would be more alarming, since Tor today is a bit more mainstream.

The first thought that came to mind when I saw the title is that perhaps there's some new push against Tor.

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