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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by optimalsolver »

mhitza wrote: post #113
CSMastermind wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard similar things about Romania and Bulgaria which are both EU countries.

Romania has high levels of corruption, but when we entered the EU we had high levels of overt corruption. I'll never forget during the presidential elections of early 2010s (or around that time) (we joined EU in 2007) when a member of the loosing party (which would then become our prime minister), Victor Ponta, stated frankly, in an interview, that they lost because his party stole fewer votes (bribing the poor with…

*losing

Just FYI.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by charlieyu1 »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #34

The eternal struggle. Information wants to be free, and then people use those freedoms to do the most screwed up things imaginable, and people like this pay the price. It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas. Instead we get one where you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators…

Do jurisdictions really care about child porn before internet? I always feel like it is just a convenient excuse for them to get away with their bullshit, for a largely non-existent problem.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by noAnswer »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #34

The eternal struggle. Information wants to be free, and then people use those freedoms to do the most screwed up things imaginable, and people like this pay the price. It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas. Instead we get one where you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators…

> Ultimately what drove me away was the literal flood of cp that was always right next to anything to do with tor, whonix, or anonymity in general.

As a teen around 2003 I hosted a freenet-node (freenetproject.org). It generated 1TByte/month which I believe was a lot for the time. I shot it down and never came back, because the only things that ever loaded was cp and Chechnya rape and torture videos. Its not a network for "dissidents"... I gave up on humanity.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by EGreg »

tekla wrote: post #148
throw0101a wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe open source generative AI can help solve cp. Cater to all these pedophile fetishes, and no need to exploit children? Illegal in Canada (even animated/cartoons): * https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/man-facing-child-porn-charges-aft... Edit: fictional material seems to be illegal in quite a lot of countries: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_f…

CP is disgusting and everything, but I'm kinda weirded out about thought crime. If no harm is being done, not even indirectly to anyone else, why is it a crime? It's not illegal to write a fanfic that you keep to yourself about all the weird ways that you want to torture and kill someone.

Well, if actual harm to people and children is what we want to reduce, then perhaps decriminalizing an innocuous (as in no victims) form of it may actually reduce the harm to actual people.

Just like the cases for decriminalizing prostitution and drugs: https://time.com/longform/portugal-drug-use-decriminalizatio...

And btw -- it's not just about thoughtcrime, it's a major double standard, seems to me. In the West it's perfectly normal for Hollywood to put out "Rated R" horror movies that feature gore and torture, ripping off limbs, mass murders, etc. Such as the movie "Hostel". I never understood why that is OK, why the music industry has pushed gangsta rap etc. for decades, but then something like Cuties out of France which actually critiques the hypersexualization of teenage girls that is taking place, causes an uproar, while the industries doing the hypersexualization are now an accepted part of our liberal "freedom of speech".

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by optimalsolver »

linsomniac wrote: post #112

My BIL used to work CP with the DHS, a tech going in heavy with the first wave to secure devices. I asked him if he had ever run into Tor exits, he said no, but they did sometimes run into people with unsecured wireless that had been used by third parties and once it was clear that was what happened it was pretty much dropped. I'm sure they would have ways to deal with people leaving their WiFi open as a way of camou…

>and often everyone would turn and look at one person

Slowly, like in sitcoms and cartoons?

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by sanderjd »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #34

The eternal struggle. Information wants to be free, and then people use those freedoms to do the most screwed up things imaginable, and people like this pay the price. It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas. Instead we get one where you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators…

> It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out.

Isn't it more, "This is why the original cyberpunk dream was always a naive and bad idea"?

Like, it appealed to me too when I was young, but then I learned more about humans and our history and ...

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by beebmam »

codedokode wrote: post #156
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Further, as Kosovo is an extremely corrupt country, we are able to bribe both executive and judicative as well as getting information about court orders and raids before execution. What happens if someone else is willing to pay a higher bribe than you are...?

Bribes don't work like a shop where you can come from the street and buy something. You need to have connections first.

That's for the discount

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by throw0101a »

tekla wrote: post #148
throw0101a wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe open source generative AI can help solve cp. Cater to all these pedophile fetishes, and no need to exploit children? Illegal in Canada (even animated/cartoons): * https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/man-facing-child-porn-charges-aft... Edit: fictional material seems to be illegal in quite a lot of countries: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_f…

CP is disgusting and everything, but I'm kinda weirded out about thought crime. If no harm is being done, not even indirectly to anyone else, why is it a crime? It's not illegal to write a fanfic that you keep to yourself about all the weird ways that you want to torture and kill someone.

It is not without debate:

* https://digitalcommons.schulichlaw.dal.ca/djls/vol25/iss1/2/

And as my updated/edited comment mention, Canada is not unique in this regard:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn...

Going back to Canada, some cases:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_Cana...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Sharpe

Perhaps the thinking is that it could create a positive feedback loop that may help the desires grow to the point 'actual' action is taken.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by sudosysgen »

dudeinjapan wrote: post #153
mschuster91 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Andrew Tate said essentially the same. Turns out corrupt police don't like it when someone brags with that fact. Not that I'd shed any tear for Tate or the other guy though, both deserve all they get and more.

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I don't think anyone is saying he should be in jail because he's saying misogynistic stuff. The context of his bragging about corrupt officials was on why his illegal casinos and sex trafficking operations didn't have any problems (while he himself never directly admitted to it, some of his associates tweeted about beating a "girlfriend" who wanted to stop doing webcame shows, and he heavily implies it at time when talking about how he "keeps women under control").

That's why he deserves a fair trial, and as a result, probably jail time. It's possible he didn't actually do anything wrong, but that's very improbable.

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