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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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What's surprising is that it took California so long. My ex-gf adopted her sister's kids, and that came with multiple things for the kids, in Texas: 1. free healthcare 2. free college education 3. supplemental income

It was already nearly free; tuition was covered, and a patchwork of benefits covered most of room, board, and books. Or at least that's what they told us when we became foster parents 14 years ago.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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I agree completely. Something so striking about the situation as well is that on balance, we have a staggering amount of wealth to share with the less fortunate. Yet these are children, specifically, who deserve every opportunity we can afford them by default. Not “hopeless addicts” or some other group deemed not worth saving by so many of us, but people quite literally the epitome of worth saving. These people need…

Not sure who we is, but I have 4 kids and live paycheck to paycheck and nobody helps me or my kids. We can’t spare what we don’t have.

"We" is North America collectively. I don't think it's on you to fix this at all; rather that our nations have the wealth to do a better job.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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ALL kids in Tennessee can now attend any two year trade school upon graduation from a state high school. Adults can, as well, based on certain additional requirements (that really are easy after you've lived in-state).

And Tennessee has no state income tax.

We've had the HOPE scholarship[1] for a very long time now too. Funded by the state lottery.

[1] - https://www.tn.gov/collegepays/money-for-college/tn-educatio...

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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It’s always depressing when we talk about the latest developments in minimum wage and how a day one burger flipper at an In and Out in California is making just as much as someone with 6 years of schooling and responsibility for teaching the next generation. Oh and that’s not even considering how much of her own $$$ is needed to successfully supply a classroom and how barely any is tax deductible. Her experiences alm…

Who are you voting for that will raise wages for teachers? Or are you looking to cut wages for burger flippers.

I honestly don't know. I'm in California and "let's not make our teachers minimum wage slaves" wasnt on any candidate's platform from what I researched. Let alone on any of the viable candidates. If no one represents my ideals, what can I do?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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On the one hand I 100% agree On the other hand we've got the phrase "Programs for the poor become poor" for a reason. Having a program that benefits everyone means that we all can support it out of enlightened self-interest. We can reduce overhead by providing food for everyone and not putting in place a complex government bureaucracy to carefully approve some people but not others, to give lobbyists a chance to advo…

Moreover, if free food is only available to low-income students, having to eat that food can become a symbol of poverty, and some students may feel ashamed to receive it. Making it available to all students, without reservation, avoids that.

People say that, but it’s not like they have a flashing light that says “TIMMY IS POOR AND THIS LUNCH IS FREE,” they just punch their code or swipe their card or whatever and it rings up as free.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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64% of foster youth graduating high school is far far higher than I thought it would be. I’m beyond delighted by this. And if that 64% has free access to post-secondary… that’s a cycle breaking opportunity.

I'm sure this varies by region, but the standards for graduating HS are fairly low where I am in California. Granted doing even basic things with the level of trauma many foster kids have is an impressive feat.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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I agree completely. Something so striking about the situation as well is that on balance, we have a staggering amount of wealth to share with the less fortunate. Yet these are children, specifically, who deserve every opportunity we can afford them by default. Not “hopeless addicts” or some other group deemed not worth saving by so many of us, but people quite literally the epitome of worth saving. These people need…

> we have a staggering amount of wealth to share with the less fortunate Many Americans will stop you at that first word. Who is this we you speak of? If the pandemic taught me anything, it's that to all too many Americans the most important freedom is freedom from strangers' problems. They don't want to see them, they don't want to hear them, and they sure as hell don't want to pay for them. Now, if THEY happen to h…

You're correct, and I don't think this has to be true indefinitely but it's certainly in the DNA of most of North America.

I could go on at length about this. I'm deeply convinced this component of North American culture has contributed significantly to many aspects of decline and general loss of well-being. I won't go on at length of course, I just wanted to say I think you're on point and this feature of a lot of our cultures here is quite harmful.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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> A very oversimplified pro argument: if it wasn't for slavery, these families would have generational wealth and better social situations. African Americans in the US ARE disproportionately lower wealth/income and this has CLEAR historical origins. I'm confused by the pro argument. My known lineage was not enslaved, but my grandparents immigrated with 0$, and my family has no generational wealth and we don't receive…

> Isn't being freed from slavery the same as being freshly immigrated with 0$? The US economy, and hence those immigrants, were better off, because of the gains made from slavery.

By that logic, African-Americans also benefit from that economy, and ironically the gains made from slavery.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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They implemented a great component of those ideas. Seems like cause for at least some celebration, right? :)

I'm an educator, and a social democrat (approximately) so "yes"? What saddens me is that grand (and simple) plan "free education for all" gets watered down and chipped away to "free education for those who have money or connections" and later attempts to shore it up offten amount to "free education for $special_group". While I don't deny $special_group should get free education, what gets me is all the special-pleadi…

I'm approximately a social democrat too, but I'm also a pragmatist. Asking for "free education" is like a child asking for a pony. Education, like everything, costs money, and we can't just wave a magic wand and change that. The only question is who pays for it: the student, or someone else. "Free education" really means education paid for by society at large rather than students. I'm not saying that's a bad idea. It isn't. In fact, it's a really good idea. But I really wish we'd stop calling it something that it's not.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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We shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good. I'd rather see kids get free pizza and hot dogs for school lunch, than I would a system where it costs $8 per student and only some kids get free lunch, but it's 100% vegan fair trade certified healthy food. Now if you can pull a boiling frog meme and make the pizza be healthy, haha more power to them!

I agree with you, I really do. Some meal is better than no meal. But we forgot how to make decent food at scale.

Many schools, especially newer ones, do not have the facilities to cook real meals.

We should definitely encourage schools to renovate and make use of the kitchens when they have them, encourage kitchen facilities be included in new construction, and maybe even encourage creative solutions when no other options exist.

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