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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Is everything culture war all the time now on this site? Every post becomes a stupid comment section where we'd be better off getting an LLM to write the comments for us. Here it's people trying to insert their affirmative action narratives and also rant about California a bit (in a backhanded way). We can do better.

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We don't need tribalistic comments like yours.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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University of California, Washington, and Texas are hardly uncompetitive. Their admission rates are very low for the good programs.

Those are universities and not colleges. Cãnada College, Foothills college, De Anza College are examples of “community colleges”.

> Those are universities and not colleges. Cãnada College, Foothills college, De Anza College are examples of “community colleges”.

Community colleges are rarely described as "state colleges." The latter refers to state-backed higher education institutions, from De Anza College to the University of Pennsylvania.

The delineation between colleges and universities varies regionally. Nowhere does it solely signify exclusivity. In America, there is an accreditation difference that largely pertains to graduate school.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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So there's actually a lot of academic debate on the merits of reparations, and exactly what and how much reparations should be. A very oversimplified pro argument: if it wasn't for slavery, these families would have generational wealth and better social situations. African Americans in the US ARE disproportionately lower wealth/income and this has CLEAR historical origins. The oversimplified con argument: Okay, but i…

> A very oversimplified pro argument: if it wasn't for slavery, these families would have generational wealth and better social situations. African Americans in the US ARE disproportionately lower wealth/income and this has CLEAR historical origins. I'm confused by the pro argument. My known lineage was not enslaved, but my grandparents immigrated with 0$, and my family has no generational wealth and we don't receive…

> Isn't being freed from slavery the same as being freshly immigrated with 0$?

Well, if you're immigrating, it isn't 's fault you have no money.

If you've been enslaved, it's very much 's fault you have no money.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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This idea is not really new - the California Master Plan for Education essentially promised a free higher education to everyone in California. In 1960. [1]

As these things go, the plan was eroded over time, with the (in)famous Proposition 13 of 1978 dealing a big blow.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Master_Plan_for_Hig...

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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What kind of discussion did you expect on a post like this? Obviously everybody is going to talk about the politics involved, that's the only thing that you can discuss here.

Perhaps we'd be better off not having any country or state or city does X type posts here unless they're about tech. (That won't solve it, though, because any mention of certain cities or states, even in a tech context, brings out the culture warriors.)

This site doesn't limit posts to only tech. The social culture in this site simply makes technical posts more likely to hit the front page.

I'm not surprised techies are inherently interested in some socio-political stuff. Especially a topic like education where they may feel it should be an egalitarian endeavor (the interpretation of "egalitarian" inevitably causes conflicts, of course).

>any mention of certain cities or states, even in a tech context, brings out the culture warriors.

any mention of any high level topic will bring them out. I don't know what to say about that. As long as they are engaging with the topic and arguments and not devolving into attacking users or spreading hate, there's nothing wrong with a strongly opinionated comment.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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The city government is controlled by the land owning elite.

Is the city government elected? How do you square support for democracy, and stating the city government is controlled by "the land owning elite" I am told questioning elections is a conspiracy.

"Is the city government elected?"

We've had tons of voter initiatives totally steamrolled by lobbyists in Sactown and SF. We passed a law to restrict rent increases, a couple years later the corporatists got it shut down before it could become a law. doesn't matter if the citizens elect the city government when rich people and rich corporations can come in and literally bribe their way out of anything.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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In 1968, H. George Frederickson articulated "a theory of social equity" and put it forward as the 'third pillar' of public administration.[4] Frederickson was concerned that those in public administration were making the mistake of assuming that citizen A is the same as citizen B; ignoring social and economic conditions. Using the term launched, similar to how tech companies launch products, implies a conspiracy to b…

All I know is that this word used to mean "shares in a company", and then, over a month or two, it meant "everyone having the same outcomes".

Equity is a stake in something, for its outcome.

Investment is one a thing.

Having access to opportunity is another

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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IMO, the state bears the responsibility to structure the laws and regulations to make it easier for regular people to be heroes. Servant leadership is generally not a characteristic of democracies, as politicians need to take credit in order to win votes.

I agree, but this is also a problem with heavy reliance on government - people can just punt responsibility, and the wrong people get the credit.

Is it because of a heavy reliance on government, or a general issue that we face when dealing with hard problems?

Put another way, when we don't rely on governments to help with things like this - does that incentivize people to take on responsibility? I suspect not...

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Maybe the new affirmative action is visible minorities or other groups just get free education? But then you’d need a K-12 system that doesn’t fail them or set them up for not succeeding by getting them into lower stream courses.

We could sidestep all the drama by letting anyone who meets the academic qualifications attend public universities and colleges without tuition (or at least an insubstantial fees). We might actually end up with a system like we had 75 years ago… but with less overt racism and sexism.

It would be great.

But K-12 delivery would need to be reasonably similar quality everywhere, and it’s not, and that would take a decade or two of waiting.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

This ignores that many individual situations were bad simply because of their skin color.
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