Live data from Hacker News

All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

themessenger.com

201–210 of 585 posts

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree completely. Something so striking about the situation as well is that on balance, we have a staggering amount of wealth to share with the less fortunate. Yet these are children, specifically, who deserve every opportunity we can afford them by default. Not “hopeless addicts” or some other group deemed not worth saving by so many of us, but people quite literally the epitome of worth saving. These people need…

> we have a staggering amount of wealth to share with the less fortunate Many Americans will stop you at that first word. Who is this we you speak of? If the pandemic taught me anything, it's that to all too many Americans the most important freedom is freedom from strangers' problems. They don't want to see them, they don't want to hear them, and they sure as hell don't want to pay for them. Now, if THEY happen to h…

I’m convinced this is a structural characteristic of America, resulting from the immigration patterns that built the population.

If you look at polls worldwide, most people wouldn’t leave their home country even if they had the choice to emigrate somewhere else: https://news.gallup.com/poll/468218/nearly-900-million-world.... In South Asia, where I’m from, it’s just 11%. Even in sub-Saharan Africa it’s under 40%. Immigrants are the outliers who are willing to leave everything they know behind.

Of course over time there’s regression to the mean, and new communities form here in the US. But most of the US population traces their ancestry only back to the late 19th century or early 20th century. This constant population turnover means there’s a very limited ability to develop the kind of solidarity required to make sacrifices on behalf of strangers in your community.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#202
post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure who we is, but I have 4 kids and live paycheck to paycheck and nobody helps me or my kids. We can’t spare what we don’t have.

[flagged]

Hypothetically, even if your rude statement were true, is that his children's fault? Why punish them by taking from their parent?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Affirmative action was to address systemic inequalities, not individual ones. Bringing it up in an article about foster kids and then further including the bit about gender feels like flamebait.

Ironically affirmative action is systemic racism itself, no matter how well intentioned.

And the use of a police, courts, juries, and prisons to punish and prevent violence is violence, yet very few people complain about fighting fire with fire in that spectrum (even if they disagree with the implementation).

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#204
post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

If foster children were raised so well that people were jealous, maybe that would create an adverse incentive for people to create more children than they can handle and desert children that they’ve already had?

You live in a democracy. If ward's of the state were well taken care of, it would imply a voting majority who recognize this as valuable. Maybe they would also do other things with that power, like vote for increased assistance and benefits for parents in general, or expand the program to be a blanket "everyone can have free state college".

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#205
post #127
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming the best intentions of those running this, there may not be enough money in the budget for it to be free for everyone.

Somehow European countries pull it off without bankrupting themselves.

It helps when we subsidize their military budget and their drug development costs like the status quo.

If America disappeared, Europe would look a lot less socialist

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but many forms of discrimination are legal and good. Minimum age to drive is ageism, but I think we would all agree that it’s a good form of discrimination. You say “no matter how well intentioned” as if the intention isn’t important. But intention and outcome are both very important and determine whether a given form of discrimination is good or bad.

Harvard and other Ivy League universities got caught discriminating against Asians in their admissions. How do you justify that as a good thing?

I wonder how Harvard, elitest of the elite of educational institutions justified it? Presumably such learned ones must have their reasons.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#207

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

I COMPLETE AGREE ON THIS!

Affirmative action is about reinforcing the bottom so it doesn't fall any further. It isn't about supporting anyone for a particular reason, but anyone in a condition they can not control.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

Do reparations for slavery even make logical sense? Please cut me some slack here, by the nature of the world we live in, I have not uttered these thoughts to another human being, and they might have obvious flaws. It's tough when you can't talk about ideas out of fear of the consequences. I think nobody argues that it's a vile, morally repugnant thing to enslave another human being. But that was a long time ago, and…

I think the key question is: do reparations actually change anything? You give one generation a 'payout' so the politicians can wipe their hands of the issue, then what, are we back to the same point with the next generation? What about those old enough where the handout won't do anything for them?

How do reparations actually move the relationship forwards? Handing out money does not solve anything fundamentally. They need to focus on understanding and building a positive future for all, which means working towards ensuring legally and policy-wise there is no remaining racial bias or discrimination (equal opportunity for all - not outcome) and working away from holding the grudges of previous generations.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.

[flagged]

Kids don't apply for SNAP. If their parents fail them, children should not be blamed. There's no excuse for governments in the USA to not provide free breakfast and lunch to any child, no questions asked. Not doing so is absolutely a problem with every level of government that fails to do so.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.

[flagged]

Your comment is dripping with ignorance and arrogance
Post reply on HN