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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#51

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Affirmative action was to address systemic inequalities, not individual ones. Bringing it up in an article about foster kids and then further including the bit about gender feels like flamebait.

Ironically affirmative action is systemic racism itself, no matter how well intentioned.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#53

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

I agree completely. Something so striking about the situation as well is that on balance, we have a staggering amount of wealth to share with the less fortunate.

Yet these are children, specifically, who deserve every opportunity we can afford them by default. Not “hopeless addicts” or some other group deemed not worth saving by so many of us, but people quite literally the epitome of worth saving. These people need every ounce of reassurance that we care and that they can integrate and function in society. That they deserve opportunity as anyone else does.

If we had to be self serving we could look at it like “each one of these people is statistically far more likely to be a burden on my own children in the future, so a small investment now could save a lot later”, but we seem to fail even in being selfish about it. I find this topic heart breaking.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#54

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

> regular people would be jealous of how kids who were wards of the state lived

Given that the money to do that would have been taken from those parents, you can see why in a democracy parents would object to having their resources stolen for government kids to have better lives over their own.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#55

What is the legal status of foster kids with regard to general financial aid? Is their parents' income considered to be $0? Does the government want the parents' income information? (This used to be the norm for non-custodial and estranged parents.) It feels great to say "California's most vulnerable young people can take agency over their lives by seeking higher education," but how much is this changing? And since w…

Something doesn't need to be perfect to be better. We're talking about 60k kids who will be able to receive an education instead of 4% of that. It won't solve hunger, but for these kids it's a good news.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#56

It's odd that many of the same people cheering this decision are the same ones crying for meritocracy in the workplace. Handouts and free passes as long as you're characterized by $some_immutable_trait? Then don't be upset when you're passed over for a promotion to fulfill a company diversity promotion threshold.

There is no shortage of studies verifying babies do not select the families, location or socio-economic conditions they are born into, but the world will treat them as if they chose poorly.

Or look down on them.

It’s funny hearing about the concepts of handouts when the people most offended are too often including those who have access to some amount of privilege but not enough.. and end up upset about sharing it.

There is a lot of easily accessible learning available there for your statement that would help illuminate a bigger picture for you. You are already part way there by being engaged on it.

Mostly about it’s not being about an immutable trait. Knowing this requires you to exert more than a basic interpretation and opinion.

If you don’t think it’s a big deal would you switch positions with someone in that position since it’s so easy?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#57

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

I do not understand why it should be limited to foster kids. Just make the schools free for all, and collect with higher marginal income / wealth taxes. It should not be dependent on parents’ status either. I got zero aid due to my parents, but I also got zero from my parents.

Assuming the best intentions of those running this, there may not be enough money in the budget for it to be free for everyone.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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I don’t agree. My parents are low middle class. We didn’t qualify for any financial aid and they were tasked with trying to find a way to send both my sister and I to college which they couldn’t afford. So what did we do? Take out a bunch of loans. Good thing I got a decent job that can pay for them. Too bad for my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher in Tennessee which is barely more than minimum…

I think it should be free because of stories like yours. It shouldn't be a requirement to be saddled with debt to participate in society.

I agree it should cost less, but I don't understand why everyone seems to think the government (taxpayers) should be paying these tuitions. The problem is that tuition is ridiculous.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.

As a taxpayer who funds public schools, I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the ruling elite (who, in many cases, intentionally keep working class pay low). They can pay for their own children's food.

The ruling elite don’t go to public school. They already pay for their children’s food.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.

As a taxpayer who funds public schools, I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the ruling elite (who, in many cases, intentionally keep working class pay low). They can pay for their own children's food.

You shouldn't be a sucker. For the ruling elite, it's an insignificant tax rebate. The overhead of a means-testing system to make sure that people who have been taxed for 50 free lunches don't get one is a waste that wouldn't be tolerated, except for the fact that we know the hurdles of bureaucracy will eliminate most of the people who qualify, bringing down costs by leaving children hungry.

edit: The idea that your tax dollars are going to pay for the universal benefit of someone who pays more taxes than you do is mathematically nonsensical. It's purely a gimmick. It's a shell game with no shells other than innumeracy.

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