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Scientists hit with massive bills after speaking at COVID-19 ‘webinars’

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> It must be the full document plaintext and date signed with your private key and should be verifiable with your public key by a court before a claim is even approachable. This is called a notary public. Its a routine requirement with immigration documents. .They can also certify copies as true. In UK for sone reason it costs over £100, and noone uses them, but in eastern europe its common and notarising documents i…

The UK is weird about this. Generally speaking you wouldn’t actually want to use a notary public, which is (in the UK) a very old profession regulated by the Church of England. Most of the time, you will have a solicitor certify documents. This is much cheaper, and is what is usually used by large organisations who already have engagements with law firms. In Scotland, solicitors are able to get a special smart card t…

In the US, notaries are often in law, accounting, banking, and real estate offices and do the notarization for little to no money. No church involved .

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> It must be the full document plaintext and date signed with your private key and should be verifiable with your public key by a court before a claim is even approachable. This is called a notary public. Its a routine requirement with immigration documents. .They can also certify copies as true. In UK for sone reason it costs over £100, and noone uses them, but in eastern europe its common and notarising documents i…

The UK is weird about this. Generally speaking you wouldn’t actually want to use a notary public, which is (in the UK) a very old profession regulated by the Church of England. Most of the time, you will have a solicitor certify documents. This is much cheaper, and is what is usually used by large organisations who already have engagements with law firms. In Scotland, solicitors are able to get a special smart card t…

Solicitor certification of documents is a farce here in the UK. My mortgage company had me have a solicitor certify bank statements etc. I said I didn’t have paper copies. They said printed PDFs would to, and to get the solicitors to certify them. Madness.

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Putting aside any ethics questions. Sounds like the guys on their way to court did actually sign the contracts. Not sure there is much get out clause for them tbh, Im not aware of any court anywhere that will take "didnt read the contract" as a get out of jail free card. Always read the contract kids.

In the UK I suspect it would qualify as unfair terms (ianal)

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> Historically I tend to try something on with employment contracts too - I return an unsigned copy to the company That doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have a contract. Barring specific law regulating the form (such as often happens for property exchanges), the contract is sealed with acceptance. An act of acceptance can be overt such as via signature, but it can also be implied. By returning the contract as…

Was going to say the same thing - doing the work is implicit acceptance of the contract, signature be damned. Verbal contracts are legally binding, after all (although hard to prove). (IANAL).

I suppose it would allow one to question specific clauses, suggesting those are not part of the contract. That would of course be fraud.

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I won't pay for it because I don't want to use Docusign .

Any reason? What about emailed only PDFsS Email is a minor identity validation.

Because it's a broken model that is just one small step away from a complete disaster. Think about the value of inserting yourself in the signing process of a whole slew of official documents. Just the ability to fake it with authentic looking signatures is a real problem. See TFA...

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Note: in many states, banks must provide notary services to the public. You do not have to be a bank customer. Banks will try to ask you to sign up for an account “so you can make an appointment with the notary”, but you can decline - insist that you just want a document notarized. They may give you the run around saying “the notary isn’t in today”, options here are ask them to tell you which branch you could visit w…

Most UPS stores in the US offer notary services and advertise that they do.

UPS stores charge a fee for notary service. It's around $20 where I am in the Midwest.

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Someone did this recently to me i.e. showed me something I'd signed which I didn't. Fortunately this lead to their demise as I am friends with their manager which was unknown by the party in question. Historically I tend to try something on with employment contracts too - I return an unsigned copy to the company. Only 1 out of 6 companies I worked for didn't just stick it in a filing cabinet and forget about it. Ulti…

> It must be the full document plaintext and date signed with your private key and should be verifiable with your public key by a court before a claim is even approachable. This is called a notary public. Its a routine requirement with immigration documents. .They can also certify copies as true. In UK for sone reason it costs over £100, and noone uses them, but in eastern europe its common and notarising documents i…

In New Zealand we've got Justices of Peace (JP's) - it's just some retired lawyers that can notarise your documents. You typically go to their home or they have little popups in public places. Best part - it's free!

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A passport, or some other difficult-to-forge document, could be used right?

Only physically though. Many years ago, possessing the values on a passport constituted verification. This data was stored and after a significant number of leaks, this data alone was useless as it became public knowledge. The next step was requiring a photo of the document. The photos were stored, and after a significant number of leaks, the same thing happened. The next step was ID selfies. Then the same thing happ…

> Online, we need public/private key authentication. It’s the only way.

Your credit card already has contactless chip and it's been ID verified. So does your smartphone. Why can't we just marry the two together?

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That's how it works in the US. You show the notary your passport or driver's license, they go "Yup, looks like you," you sign the doc in their presence, and they apply their stamp.

Yeah, but even notary seals are forged with alarming frequency. They are usually just a stamp after all.

They do keep a record of document signed (not an actual document tho)

Re: Scientists hit with massive bills after speaking at COVID-19 ‘webinars’

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Only physically though. Many years ago, possessing the values on a passport constituted verification. This data was stored and after a significant number of leaks, this data alone was useless as it became public knowledge. The next step was requiring a photo of the document. The photos were stored, and after a significant number of leaks, the same thing happened. The next step was ID selfies. Then the same thing happ…

And then private keys will leak. Nothing's perfect. Requiring physical presence is a pain but it's probably tolerable for sufficiently high value transactions. Only works within the US. There's a related process with more hurdles for international.

Except, unlike with the other stuff, you don't need to send your private key to anyone to prove you have it
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