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Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by MatekCopatek »

mikeyouse wrote: post #25
MatekCopatek wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't you say the same for every coffee shop that gives random people Wi-Fi access?

Your coffee shop could turn over MAC addresses if the police showed up with a warrant - especially all of the 3rd party managed solutions with logging.

Technically, yes, but realistically most random mom-and-pop places just have a random $50 router somewhere in the corner.

Would it be fair/sane/reasonable to convict such business owners if one of their customers commits a cybercrime?

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by wkat4242 »

thallavajhula wrote: post #24

This is similar to the first Episode of the "Mr. Robot" tv show. wow.

Not really. That person in the show didn't run an exit node but an entire commercial content network. The person in this case has no involvement in creating or hosting content, he's just involved in transporting traffic (any kind) because he believes in anonimity. His only motive is a principle, not money and he certainly doesn't agree with the content.

I loved that scene by the way, where he disregards the changes of emotional state in his target and then just explains he's doing this in person because his shrink wants him to interact more with people.

A really super strong first 10 minutes of a truly excellent show. Well except season 2 IMO, that was too drawn out for me.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by lb1lf »

skilled wrote: post #23
npsomaratna wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a parody, right? I mean, surely no-one would (seriously) say this in public in real life? Right?

It sounds like you have never been to a country where money can buy anything you want, including freedom. Many such countries in the world.

Well, money will only buy you freedom in such places until you annoy someone with deeper pockets than you have sufficiently so that they want you to wind up behind bars.

Corruption is an equal opportunity weapon.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by wkat4242 »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #34

The eternal struggle. Information wants to be free, and then people use those freedoms to do the most screwed up things imaginable, and people like this pay the price. It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas. Instead we get one where you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators…

> It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas. Instead we get one where you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators.

Corporate government is pretty much a staple of. all cyberpunk franchises though.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by rolph »

palata wrote: post #41
chad1n wrote: post #19

I'd avoid hosting a tor exit node at all costs, considering that they are a lot of bad actors on tor. Even some 3 letter agents can host cp on your tor sites and then accuse you.

> Even some 3 letter agents can host cp on your tor sites and then accuse you. Well they can probably put illegal material in your apartment and then accuse you.

its also possible to mail it to you under a "controlled delivery" investigation

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by AwaAwa »

skilled wrote: post #23
npsomaratna wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a parody, right? I mean, surely no-one would (seriously) say this in public in real life? Right?

It sounds like you have never been to a country where money can buy anything you want, including freedom. Many such countries in the world.

You mean all, it's just the amount that differs.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by zgluck »

martin1975 wrote: post #21
npsomaratna wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a parody, right? I mean, surely no-one would (seriously) say this in public in real life? Right?

It's not. I come from that area. He's telling the truth.

Yes. That is also why we need to keep Kosovo out of the EU until this has been fixed - which I'm pretty sure won't happen any time soon :(.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by gpm »

derefr wrote: post #39
mikeyouse wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your coffee shop could turn over MAC addresses if the police showed up with a warrant - especially all of the 3rd party managed solutions with logging.

Your effective wi-fi MAC address — the one other devices see — isn't fixed in stone, and in fact modern OSes build in support for automatically + continuously randomizing it: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/how-to-use-rando...

Not just support it, but some platforms randomize by default

https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/wifi-mac-random...

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/security/secb9cb3140c/...

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by mikegreenberg »

mikegreenberg wrote: post #49
DennisP wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to imagine a plausible reason to (a) run a Tor exit node, but also (b) not actually use Tor for online nefariousness, and I'm coming up blank. I don't think running a Tor node as an excuse is a real scenario. (edit: emphasis) Edit2: Jeez guys. I support Tor. I'm saying anyone who runs an exit node is also going to use Tor for anything that might get them in trouble, not do those thing in the clear and "use…

Based on your wording, it sounds like you're conflating the two things together... running an exit node and using tor are orthogonal to one another both in value provided to the user as well as effort involved. Plausible reasons for: (a) you greatly value privacy and the privacy of others such that you are willing to altruistically provide an exit node as a service; your country is a police state and you are sympathe…

Also, I assume it wasn't intentional, but consider against arguing from the position of "I can't think of anything". You are betraying yourself by implying that you know all there is to know...which no one does.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by wkat4242 »

palata wrote: post #41
chad1n wrote: post #19

I'd avoid hosting a tor exit node at all costs, considering that they are a lot of bad actors on tor. Even some 3 letter agents can host cp on your tor sites and then accuse you.

> Even some 3 letter agents can host cp on your tor sites and then accuse you. Well they can probably put illegal material in your apartment and then accuse you.

Yes but you're unlikely to be on their radar, a lot more likely though when you're running exit nodes and your IP comes up in investigations.
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