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There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by selimthegrim »

netsharc wrote: post #126
m463 wrote: post #116

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I wonder if we could just stop flying planes for a while (which might lead to global cooling, like the days after 9/11/2001)

There's a BBC documentary that suggest contrails and pollutants help block the sunlight from reaching the earth, and that the airspace lockdown lead to a slight warming: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7p6z05 But newer research says the Covid reduction of flights caused only very small warming (and not even cooling): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming : > The global response to the 2020 coronavirus pande…

The question is did it have an ozone effect relative to say Mt Pinatubo perturbation

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by selimthegrim »

7952 wrote: post #146
valval wrote: post #142

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When you atrophy on your vegetable only diet, at least you’re guaranteed to be easy to overpower when the meat eaters need to get rid of some people to sustain resources further.

Your hypothetical meat eaters are stuck at the side of the road where they ran out of petrol.

Bartertown vs Flavortown, which will prevail?

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by lovich »

valval wrote: post #140
lovich wrote: post #118

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It’s a political problem first. You can’t engineer your way out of a problem when most of the people holding power or the resources needed decide to not spend the time or money because they think it’ll affect others and not them

We’re spending an enormous amount of money on climate alarmism and various apocalyptic cults right now. Are we living a different reality?

Money spent != effectiveness

Its still a political problem at the end of the day if you cannot convince a large section of the people with decision making power that its worth their time to deal with, regardless of how much money youve thrown at the issue yourself

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

throwaway09223 wrote: post #147
snarf21 wrote: post #63

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Agreed .. A lot of people will die as places become uninhabitable for a very very long time .. Access to clean water will become a major issue and the poor will lose (even more than they already are) .. Humans are a greedy species and this planet just can't support 8B+ (and counting of us) .. I don't know what it can support but we'll soon find out .. We are still decades away from near zero fossil fuels globally and…

"A lot of people will die as places become uninhabitable for a very very long time" Places will become uninhabitable, but what's the argument for "a lot of people will die?" These are gradual changes we're talking about. People will move.

People will move to places that already have people - people that want to protect their resources, and will react with hostility to climate refugees. It's already happening. Pretzel logic doesn't change that.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by t0bia_s »

netsharc wrote: post #127
la64710 wrote: post #67

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Yet all the CEOs are screaming in unison - get back to office get on with your commute and pollute the earth more. Neither the government or the politicians or the CEOS or even the common people are willing to reimagine a more sustainable way of life. They are more willing to find reasons to maintain the status quo.

No one (or very few people) wants to give up luxuries like beach holidays in Thailand, electronic gadgets, steak. And if they do and someone else still get to enjoy them (e.g. billionaires, or just the wealthier Westerners), they get resentful - I think India got quite mad about "The West" dictating that people should travel less, "How fair", they say, "Westeners have been having good food and seeing the world for de…

Recent prices of meat are lower than prices of cheese for example.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by t0bia_s »

snarf21 wrote: post #63
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

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I don't know, I feel like it's already pretty obvious that we're "cooked/doomed", with some caveats: 1. Even in the worst case I haven't seen any level-headed scientists argue that the Earth will be uninhabitable a la Venus. We'll get a hotter planner, sea levels will rise considerably inundating coastal areas, the current anthropocene extinction event will accelerate, storms will be a lot more intense, etc. Obviousl…

Agreed .. A lot of people will die as places become uninhabitable for a very very long time .. Access to clean water will become a major issue and the poor will lose (even more than they already are) .. Humans are a greedy species and this planet just can't support 8B+ (and counting of us) .. I don't know what it can support but we'll soon find out .. We are still decades away from near zero fossil fuels globally and…

- "Humans are a greedy species and this planet..."

Propaganda of collective guilt is indeed strong last decade. Just not let them divide society. We have enough experience with that from history.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by t0bia_s »

Noughmad wrote: post #78
postalrat wrote: post #75

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We haven't added anything. The sun did. We need new methods to control it.

We prevented it from escaping back into space. The sun didn't do anything different, we did.

Who told you that?

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by jgeada »

g8oz wrote: post #42
nancyhn wrote: post #28

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Your skepticism needs better metrics. And you are greatly underestimating the intensity of American/Western emissions and greatly overestimating the increase of those in developing nations. Sweden plus Norway, total population 16 million, have greater emissions than that of Bangladesh, a nation with 169 million people.

Nobody is comparing against Bangladesh. They're comparing against India, China, Brazil, etc.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by JohnFen »

jacquesm wrote: post #110
JohnFen wrote: post #95

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But he changed his position, and that's all that really matters. Why he held a different position before isn't actually that important, and I'm not inclined to criticize or shame anyone for stances they no longer have.

It actually is important. Let me try to explain: the way he phrases it is is as though he needed some internal level to be crossed before he would change his mind. Even though he is way out of his area of expertise. He should have said instead "I didn't know what I was talking about". That way others who also don't know what they are talking about (see some of the commenters in this thread) might take the hint that t…

Oh yes, I agree, he could have done much better. But often, people with very healthy egos have trouble with that.

> He should have said instead "I didn't know what I was talking about".

This would have been ideal, yes.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by throwaway09223 »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #154
throwaway09223 wrote: post #147

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"A lot of people will die as places become uninhabitable for a very very long time" Places will become uninhabitable, but what's the argument for "a lot of people will die?" These are gradual changes we're talking about. People will move.

People will move to places that already have people - people that want to protect their resources, and will react with hostility to climate refugees. It's already happening. Pretzel logic doesn't change that.

Well, this is certainly not a strong position to argue from.
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