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Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by oceanplexian »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #19
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…

It’s not the GOP, its an entire economic system, defended at nuclear gunpoint, by the one of the world’s largest carbon emitters, who both parties reward with ever-expanding, fraud-ridden budgets, while their citizens starve and die on the streets, go bankrupt from illnesses, etc. I’m sorry to tell you, but there is no one in the halls of US power steering the ship away from the worst outcomes of climate change becau…

> I’m sorry to tell you, but there is no one in the halls of US power steering the ship away from the worst outcomes of climate change

The folks who went hard on globalism since the 1990s certainly are. There were (and still are) a lot of politicians on both sides who support unchecked globalization, the ecological and human consequences be damned.

This is the cause of Climate Change, not the US, which is ramping down. If China had to meet the same absurd standards as the US and Europe we would be hitting climate goals no problem.

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Post by rootusrootus »

itsanaccount wrote: post #4

"if you set off a rube goldberg type death trap to kill someone, if its a long enough machine, it ceases to become your fault if somebody dies at the end."

Not a great analogy. It doesn't matter how big the rube goldberg machine is if there was only one input to begin with, it would still trace back to that input. The problem with climate is that there are billions of inputs spanning centuries. Trying to assign blame is a waste of time anyway, time that we don't have.

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Post by JohnFen »

ericd wrote: post #70
snarf21 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed .. A lot of people will die as places become uninhabitable for a very very long time .. Access to clean water will become a major issue and the poor will lose (even more than they already are) .. Humans are a greedy species and this planet just can't support 8B+ (and counting of us) .. I don't know what it can support but we'll soon find out .. We are still decades away from near zero fossil fuels globally and…

On your last point, lithium ion battery packs are supposedly extremely recyclable, and it’s cheaper to recycle them than to make a new one, so it seems likely that they will be recycled.

They'll have to be, because there isn't enough lithium on the planet (that we know of) to meet the expected demand.

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Post by dstansby »

jdminhbg wrote: post #26
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…

US carbon emissions peaked in 2000 and have been falling since, even without a per capita adjustment: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/carb... Different politics in the US might have made some difference on the margin in lowering them more, but it's not really the main issue.

> but it's not really the main issue.

Isn't reducing CO2 emissions as fast as possible the only issue in town when it comes to the climate crisis?

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Post by postalrat »

myshpa wrote: post #62

https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/15/1675/2023/ We've added the energy of 25 billion nuclear bombs to the Earth system in just the last 50 years. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-ocean-heat-new-r... Last year, researchers say, the ocean heated up an amount equal to the energy of five of those bombs detonating underwater "every second for 24 hours a day for the entire year." ... the ocean in 2022 was "th…

We haven't added anything. The sun did. We need new methods to control it.

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Post by christkv »

We are going through a very active solar cycle reaching the probable maximum. The sun is pumping out a lot more energy than normal. To ignore the sun as a relevant factor for warmer summers seems just bad science.

Initially, peak activity was forecast to begin in July 2025. Now, experts believe the cyclical peak is more likely to take place in mid- to late 2024.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/14/world/solar-maximum-activ...

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Post by Noughmad »

postalrat wrote: post #75
myshpa wrote: post #62

https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/15/1675/2023/ We've added the energy of 25 billion nuclear bombs to the Earth system in just the last 50 years. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-ocean-heat-new-r... Last year, researchers say, the ocean heated up an amount equal to the energy of five of those bombs detonating underwater "every second for 24 hours a day for the entire year." ... the ocean in 2022 was "th…

We haven't added anything. The sun did. We need new methods to control it.

We prevented it from escaping back into space. The sun didn't do anything different, we did.

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Post by JohnFen »

danielovichdk wrote: post #25

The faster humans can get off the planet the better the earth will become. I don't mind all the climate change talk. But I do mind the symptoms curing. The best people can come up with are fucking electrical cars and artificial meat. Because we too many fucking people to serve natural foods. What the fuuuck is wrong with us? I might sound pessimistic but I don't have any faith in humanity as for saving the world. Abs…

> The faster humans can get off the planet the better the earth will become.

Long term, the earth will be just fine. The only real question is whether or not it will be a good place for people to live on.

Or, as I used to put it: we are causing an imbalance that will be corrected. If we don't correct it, nature will, and nature's methods will be much more cruel than people expect.

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Post by anon25783 »

paganel wrote: post #64
srgpqt wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the boiled frog, perhaps we have not even realized that we are already cooked/doomed.

We weren't cooked/doomed for about two years recently. Sometimes I miss the pandemic and those two years only because that apocalypse at least had an end in sight when it came to the "educated" public's reaction to it, this climate thing is the new year 1000 hysteria [1], it's just unfortunate that it will spread over the next decades. [1] https://www.bu.edu/history/files/2011/10/11.Fear-of-an-Apoca...

The ten hottest summers on record happened in the last fifteen years. The number one hottest is this summer we're experiencing right now. And you call this "hysteria"?
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