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Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by valval »

mullingitover wrote: post #91
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I feel like it's already pretty obvious that we're "cooked/doomed", with some caveats: 1. Even in the worst case I haven't seen any level-headed scientists argue that the Earth will be uninhabitable a la Venus. We'll get a hotter planner, sea levels will rise considerably inundating coastal areas, the current anthropocene extinction event will accelerate, storms will be a lot more intense, etc. Obviousl…

The vast majority of human history has been the Stone Age. It’s the stable state. What’s doomed is this temporary blip that has resulted from the explosion of free energy. The human species will survive and will simply go back to the Stone Age and stay there another million years, this time without the risk of stumbling onto vast amounts of easy, free, dangerous carbon-based energy.

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Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by valval »

7952 wrote: post #34
danielovichdk wrote: post #25

The faster humans can get off the planet the better the earth will become. I don't mind all the climate change talk. But I do mind the symptoms curing. The best people can come up with are fucking electrical cars and artificial meat. Because we too many fucking people to serve natural foods. What the fuuuck is wrong with us? I might sound pessimistic but I don't have any faith in humanity as for saving the world. Abs…

The best we can come up with is not electric cars and synthetic meat but bicycles and vegetables.

When you atrophy on your vegetable only diet, at least you’re guaranteed to be easy to overpower when the meat eaters need to get rid of some people to sustain resources further.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by V__ »

willcipriano wrote: post #125
V__ wrote: post #113

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Depending on what type of battery you use or how long you want to store it, it can be cheaper or cost competitive. But the same factors apply as well, production capacities are not catching up fast enough. Still, The end of fossil fuels is inevitable, as renewable sectors keep growing. Also, the potential for small nuclear reactors or maybe even fusion could change this even faster. If politics had backed renewables…

> Still, The end of fossil fuels is inevitable, I agree, but until we are using renewables exclusively (as in the first world) wagging a finger at places where the average income is a tenth of ours is really unacceptable. They can't afford batteries yet and they deserve power in the evening as much as we do.

Absolutely. That's why it is so frustrating to see the nations who can afford it (US, EU etc), still putting up or keeping unnecessary hurdles. Let's hope for the best.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by jmclnx »

mullingitover wrote: post #91
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I feel like it's already pretty obvious that we're "cooked/doomed", with some caveats: 1. Even in the worst case I haven't seen any level-headed scientists argue that the Earth will be uninhabitable a la Venus. We'll get a hotter planner, sea levels will rise considerably inundating coastal areas, the current anthropocene extinction event will accelerate, storms will be a lot more intense, etc. Obviousl…

The vast majority of human history has been the Stone Age. It’s the stable state. What’s doomed is this temporary blip that has resulted from the explosion of free energy. The human species will survive and will simply go back to the Stone Age and stay there another million years, this time without the risk of stumbling onto vast amounts of easy, free, dangerous carbon-based energy.

In a way, I can agree with this. But I doubt it will be a "stone age". I tend to think it will be very similar to a cancelled SYFY Show called "Incorporated".

It is too bad it was not allowed to continue, but how the main star was written I think it doomed it. To me, if born outside the privileged caste, you would have no hope.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by 7952 »

valval wrote: post #142
7952 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best we can come up with is not electric cars and synthetic meat but bicycles and vegetables.

When you atrophy on your vegetable only diet, at least you’re guaranteed to be easy to overpower when the meat eaters need to get rid of some people to sustain resources further.

Your hypothetical meat eaters are stuck at the side of the road where they ran out of petrol.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by throwaway09223 »

snarf21 wrote: post #63
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I feel like it's already pretty obvious that we're "cooked/doomed", with some caveats: 1. Even in the worst case I haven't seen any level-headed scientists argue that the Earth will be uninhabitable a la Venus. We'll get a hotter planner, sea levels will rise considerably inundating coastal areas, the current anthropocene extinction event will accelerate, storms will be a lot more intense, etc. Obviousl…

Agreed .. A lot of people will die as places become uninhabitable for a very very long time .. Access to clean water will become a major issue and the poor will lose (even more than they already are) .. Humans are a greedy species and this planet just can't support 8B+ (and counting of us) .. I don't know what it can support but we'll soon find out .. We are still decades away from near zero fossil fuels globally and…

"A lot of people will die as places become uninhabitable for a very very long time"

Places will become uninhabitable, but what's the argument for "a lot of people will die?" These are gradual changes we're talking about. People will move.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by mullingitover »

jmclnx wrote: post #145
mullingitover wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of human history has been the Stone Age. It’s the stable state. What’s doomed is this temporary blip that has resulted from the explosion of free energy. The human species will survive and will simply go back to the Stone Age and stay there another million years, this time without the risk of stumbling onto vast amounts of easy, free, dangerous carbon-based energy.

In a way, I can agree with this. But I doubt it will be a "stone age". I tend to think it will be very similar to a cancelled SYFY Show called "Incorporated". It is too bad it was not allowed to continue, but how the main star was written I think it doomed it. To me, if born outside the privileged caste, you would have no hope.

The post apocalyptic-type civilization can only last so long, though. I base my hypothesis on the Bronze Age collapse, where a bunch of fairly complex civilizations all went back to approximately the Stone Age in the span of 50 years or so. Advanced civilizations live on supply chains and are (as was demonstrated by the pandemic) actually pretty brittle. So I think the path back home to the Stone Age will go, as Hemingway said, “gradually, then suddenly.”

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

bena wrote: post #122
JohnFen wrote: post #95

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But he changed his position, and that's all that really matters. Why he held a different position before isn't actually that important, and I'm not inclined to criticize or shame anyone for stances they no longer have.

He spent a lot of time and effort working against people who were working to promote climate change and mitigate its effects. Years, articles, TV shows. And he dismisses all of that with a “eh, guess I was wrong, still their fault”. He hasn’t spent nearly the effort trying to correct his mistake that he spent making it.

His attitude is symbolic of why we'll eventually all burn up.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by selimthegrim »

mullingitover wrote: post #148
jmclnx wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a way, I can agree with this. But I doubt it will be a "stone age". I tend to think it will be very similar to a cancelled SYFY Show called "Incorporated". It is too bad it was not allowed to continue, but how the main star was written I think it doomed it. To me, if born outside the privileged caste, you would have no hope.

The post apocalyptic-type civilization can only last so long, though. I base my hypothesis on the Bronze Age collapse, where a bunch of fairly complex civilizations all went back to approximately the Stone Age in the span of 50 years or so. Advanced civilizations live on supply chains and are (as was demonstrated by the pandemic) actually pretty brittle. So I think the path back home to the Stone Age will go, as Hemi…

The Mayan collapse might also be instructive.
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