The last month I've thought about this clip at least twice a week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SYpUSjSgFg
I think about this clip regularly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi6n_-wB154
It could never happen today unfortunately.
There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
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"Once and for all!" I think of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNYp6oc37ds
Yes! And that's what is so interesting about all this (in a very morbid way): it's not as if we didn't know, and it's not as if we do not know. But nothing changes. Massive storms? Check. Maybe not quite at the level alluded to but we're getting there Wildfires out of control? Check. Depending on where you live already too much to deal with, migration is your only option. If you're lucky you can still ignore this one…
As a 'doomer' since 2012, it's also a question of what to do? Gotta pay the bills, and individual changes don't really change the system.
I watched Don't Look Up and the question is what do you do when faced with .. this. Nobody wants to talk about stuff like this, and I don't want to be a "Debbie Downer" [1]. Nobody wants to be told that something they do causes problems and/or harms other people. Otherwise they have to change their behaviour. The normality of it is unreal.
I have the power like a god. I can sit on the toilet taking a nice long dump, and use my cell phone to get food, clothing, and more shelter by touching a screen, and they’ll magically appear. The consequences are far removed from time and space and personal lived experience.
I throw out probably a cubic metre of plastic every day at work.
Also This: http://www.paulchefurka.ca/LadderOfAwareness.html
[1] This is a 90s SNL reference
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So what, were you expecting them to solve every single problem the US faces in six months, and since they didn't clearly they just weren't actually trying and obviously the same as the GOP?
You’re moving the goal posts. They didn’t even hit the mark on the only thing they tried to do.. they completely lost the Obamacare campaign with the American people as well. During the Obamacare rollout I was actually on the ground in rural Missouri educating people, trying to get them on board with Medicaid expansion. They didn’t want to hear it until I personalized the message, talked about rural healthcare dispar…
How did you expect them to get 60 votes in the Senate without moving to the “right”? You think a senator in 2009 was voting no because they thought the ACA was not sufficiently “left”?
Can you list those senators? Without that, it seems like you were dreaming of a fantasy ending.
Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
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You’re moving the goal posts. They didn’t even hit the mark on the only thing they tried to do.. they completely lost the Obamacare campaign with the American people as well. During the Obamacare rollout I was actually on the ground in rural Missouri educating people, trying to get them on board with Medicaid expansion. They didn’t want to hear it until I personalized the message, talked about rural healthcare dispar…
How did you expect them to get 60 votes in the Senate without moving to the “right”? You think a senator in 2009 was voting no because they thought the ACA was not sufficiently “left”? Can you list those senators? Without that, it seems like you were dreaming of a fantasy ending.
You’re so focused on arguing that you’ve completely circled around to the point I was making from the beginning, which is that the Dems use the GOP to hide from that fact that their own party is controlled by right wing interests. So yeah, they’re a right wing party, only better than the GOP in ways that matter to out of touch liberals, incapable of achieving anything that doesn’t involve shallow Supreme Court decisions. They are completely and totally incapable of solving the climate crisis because they will always capitulate to the lowest common denominator — only on the right though of course. Pelosi was great at whipping the Squad into supporting whatever milquetoast policies she wanted, Schumer as well, but somehow that never ends up working on the right wing folks, I wonder why…
Of course, it doesn’t have to be that way. Dems could rally against corporate lobbying and for the better good. After all, they’ve been trying the opposite way for the last 50 years or more and failing in truly embarrassing fashion. Losing elections to literal conspiracy theorists, conmen, and bigots. But it won’t happen, because this way makes them rich and there are no consequences for them that matter. They simply choose to let things be this way and the Democrat base lets them get away with it.
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#135The faster humans can get off the planet the better the earth will become. I don't mind all the climate change talk. But I do mind the symptoms curing. The best people can come up with are fucking electrical cars and artificial meat. Because we too many fucking people to serve natural foods. What the fuuuck is wrong with us? I might sound pessimistic but I don't have any faith in humanity as for saving the world. Abs…
The only way any significant fractions will get off the earth is in the metaphoric sense: they died. The energy required to move any even a trivial population people off the planet is not attainable.
I think that's precisely the sense GP meant.
Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes! And that's what is so interesting about all this (in a very morbid way): it's not as if we didn't know, and it's not as if we do not know. But nothing changes. Massive storms? Check. Maybe not quite at the level alluded to but we're getting there Wildfires out of control? Check. Depending on where you live already too much to deal with, migration is your only option. If you're lucky you can still ignore this one…
As a 'doomer' since 2012, it's also a question of what to do ? Gotta pay the bills, and individual changes don't really change the system. I watched Don't Look Up and the question is what do you do when faced with .. this. Nobody wants to talk about stuff like this, and I don't want to be a "Debbie Downer" [1]. Nobody wants to be told that something they do causes problems and/or harms other people. Otherwise they ha…
It's very frustrating. To put it mildly.
Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
#137The placement is not random.
Spain and France have Nuclear estuaries north of this area and the mistral pushes the hot surface water south.
Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
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We weren't cooked/doomed for about two years recently. Sometimes I miss the pandemic and those two years only because that apocalypse at least had an end in sight when it came to the "educated" public's reaction to it, this climate thing is the new year 1000 hysteria [1], it's just unfortunate that it will spread over the next decades. [1] https://www.bu.edu/history/files/2011/10/11.Fear-of-an-Apoca...
The ten hottest summers on record happened in the last fifteen years. The number one hottest is this summer we're experiencing right now. And you call this "hysteria"?
Like I said, those stats had been forgotten about between 2020-2022, when the discourse was about another type of “new normal”, but one related to public health. Yes, it’s the very definition of apocalyptic hysteria.
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Yet all the CEOs are screaming in unison - get back to office get on with your commute and pollute the earth more. Neither the government or the politicians or the CEOS or even the common people are willing to reimagine a more sustainable way of life. They are more willing to find reasons to maintain the status quo.
No one (or very few people) wants to give up luxuries like beach holidays in Thailand, electronic gadgets, steak. And if they do and someone else still get to enjoy them (e.g. billionaires, or just the wealthier Westerners), they get resentful - I think India got quite mad about "The West" dictating that people should travel less, "How fair", they say, "Westeners have been having good food and seeing the world for de…
I imagine people will resent you when you go about claiming that meat is a “luxury” indeed. It might just be you, not everybody else.
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> Humans are a greedy species and this planet just can't support 8B+ This seems like a pretty bold statement. Let’s assume the only constraints on population are energy, water, and space. If you do a back of the napkin calculation on much Uranium exists on Earth, how much power we could produce by fissioning it, then how much water is in the oceans, and then assume everything else is an engineering problem? I think t…
It’s a political problem first. You can’t engineer your way out of a problem when most of the people holding power or the resources needed decide to not spend the time or money because they think it’ll affect others and not them
We’re spending an enormous amount of money on climate alarmism and various apocalyptic cults right now. Are we living a different reality?