If they genuinely could tell it was not being actively used (or really, even if they wanted to limit to x hours whether used or not and that's what's going on here) why not just disconnect it, why resort to emailing the user? It sort of implies that's not possible, but really? I can't imagine how you could be doing the routing, monitoring the connection, and yet unable to terminate it?
Some of us had our server detect when the connection was dropped for any reason and would autoconnect back in.
90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
> These days I can do terabytes in an afternoon on research and nobody bats an eye. Except Comcast and the other shitty ISPs (including mobile carriers) which implement data caps, despite there being no technical reason for it*. At least back in the day there was an actual limit to the number of active simultaneous connections an ISP can handle. * even for mobile, data caps don't make much sense, as they are monthly…
There are some good reasons for data caps on mobile carriers. The last mile is a shared access medium, and the carriers only have so much spectrum licensed to them. All mobile carriers are offering plans with soft caps, meaning you may be derated to a lower speed after a known amount of data and (usually) there are bandwidth limitations in your area.
The last mile is very local, limited to a single cell, whose size depends on the planned capacity (cells are smaller in cities). Congestion is therefore limited to specific cells. Furthermore, congestion is often very temporary, limited to peak hours or special events. A congestion event could last just minutes.
A global monthly data cap doesn't actually address congestion very well. You can still have a sudden influx of users with available quota overload a cell, meaning they aren't getting the service they paid for as they are getting degraded speeds. On the other hand, someone who used up all their monthly quota is still getting no or degraded service (or is charged overage fees) despite being on a cell with lots of available capacity - in this case both energy and spectrum is wasted because there is an idle cell that's not being used to its full capacity despite there being demand for it.
> soft caps
Soft caps are, at least in some carriers, either non-existent (you get a hard block or are charged insane overage fees) or are throttled to near-unusable speeds. Furthermore, even if soft caps are implemented, they are still global (and reset monthly) as opposed to being limited to congested areas.
The real reason for data caps isn't network congestion but to scare people into paying for more than they really need (which conveniently resets every month, so they can't accumulate their allowance either) and/or charge them huge overage fees if they dare exceed their allowance. If this was purely about congestion control and efficient spectrum usage, there are better ways such as the one I described in my original comment.
Unfortunately in an oligopoly controlled by a handful of equally-mediocre players who have no incentive (nor capability - there is no engineering culture to enable innovation) to compete with each other, there is no feasible way to fix this.
Re: 90s Internet: When 20 hours online triggered an email from my ISP’s president
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#24Hah yeah I remember my dad getting an e-mail like that back in like 1996. We were paying for an unlimited connection, and then they tried to tell us that if we wanted to be connected for more than 4 hours/day, we'd have to upgrade to a business account that was like 4x the price. My dad told them to pound sand and we switched ISPs. Pretty sure between 1995 and 1997, we switched dialup ISPs like 4 times because each t…
Except now you're limited to 2 TB/mo with no alternatives.
2 TB would have taken me nearly 16 years, and cost as much as a house.
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#25Hah yeah I remember my dad getting an e-mail like that back in like 1996. We were paying for an unlimited connection, and then they tried to tell us that if we wanted to be connected for more than 4 hours/day, we'd have to upgrade to a business account that was like 4x the price. My dad told them to pound sand and we switched ISPs. Pretty sure between 1995 and 1997, we switched dialup ISPs like 4 times because each t…
1) The ISP a monthly charge
2) The ISP a per-minute charge (these were things like cix, compuserve, aol, etc)
3) the phone company a per-minute charge
Later we had ISPs that didn't have a per-minute charge (Demon and the like), so it was just the monthly charge and the per minute charge to the phone company. Even later than that ISPs which were just a per-minute charge to the phone company came along. In the late 90s I think the phone company per minute charge was about 4p/minute in the day, so for anyone in the UK that would be about 9p per minute today, or if you ran your modem full pelt, about 36p per Megabyte.
Towards the late 90s you could have a flat fee phone charge, then dsl and cable came along.
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#26My favorite by far is basicISP:
https://www.basicisp.net/About/BasicServices.aspx
This is a time capsule of a website (and company for that matter!) that apparently is still actively maintained!
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#27And it wasn't even 56K because our phone lines were crap. I would get about 28K on a good day.
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#28Bleh, what a boring response from the CEO. It's always interesting to look back and where we were to appreciate how far we've come. Also, there's the nostalgia of 'simple times'.
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#29I worked for a dial up ISP as a network engineer around the same time frame mentioned in the article. A standing instruction was to, as time allowed, manually look at usage across members and force resets on any long standing connections! Mainly this was because it was a small company and this freed up the number of possible incoming connections to avoid busy signals. I was very junior and cringe at how naively unawa…
You can either let the person who stays connected for weeks stick around, or free up space for less frequent users who are also paying customers.
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#30Before freeserv existed in the UK we didn't have a flat rate and a 800 number you could call into, you dialed a local number and paid by the minute, mum limited me to 2 hours a day and the she would take the RJ9 cable to enforce it. One afternoon at lunch break at school I went down to the local elections store and used 2 days worth of lunch money to buy a secret RJ9. After mum went to bed I'd sneak out my cable and…
The insult was followed no less than 3 days later with a similarly large electricity bill for the skip dived fully stacked Sun 1000E and disk array I was running 24/7 as a workstation. Stupid machine - had to sleep with ear plugs in.