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Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by numlock86 »

fooyc wrote: post #7
superkuh wrote: post #2

It's a fine idea. But what I'm taking away from this post is the link to the Google/Chromium web DRM prototype and summary ... yikes. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environ... >- The web page executing in a user's web browser >- A third party that can “attest” to the device a web browser is executing on, referred to as the attester >- The web developers server which can remotely verify attestati…

Google would do anything to make it harder for others to crawl the web. Killing RSS was part of that strategy. News sites will implement these DRMs, but of course they will still allow Google because it is their source of traffic. Alternative search engines and good bots will be locked out.

> Killing RSS was part of that strategy.

Oh boy. RSS died because it was "only for nerds". Never had I ever met a person outside my tech bubble that had used RSS yet knew what it was. That's not how the average Joe uses the internet.

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by testermelon »

rezonant wrote: post #139
oAlbe wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then they look for a Discord server. How? Are there ways to search for discord servers that might have content you want inside of them? Like, directories of discord servers? I'm genuinely curious because that would be very useful.

Well, you Google them I guess.

I've never tried this. What query did you use? What kind of result you can expect to get? I'd like to try it myself.

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by ehnto »

38 wrote: post #188
bachmeier wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree, but that's actually what I'm talking about. It apparently wasn't clear that I was making a distinction related to using Google to find information as opposed to using Google as a portal to sites that hold the information you're after . Your response shows that it's taken for granted that of course people wouldn't use Google to find a link to someone's website (which is the topic of the post). Use Go…

You seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the first four words of your examples are "use Google to find"

No they aren't, they are trying to make a distinction between how Google used to be good for scouring the wide web but now it's results are poor enough that you are better off narrowing your search to single known good avenues.

By poor I mean the results may be relevant but of low quality, thanks to commerce and SEO spam often dominating the results.

In some ways this is actually a decent reflection of the reality of the web. It is mostly spam and ecommerce, with human communities taking refuge in certain platforms.

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by softsound »

Aurornis wrote: post #8

> Nobody really expects to be able to find anything of value in a Google search now This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet. Deliberately removing yourself from Google is fine for the author who is more concerned about taking an ideological stance than they are about being discove…

Yeah agreed.

People who are not good with tech with certainly use Google especially if they grew up with it.

Yes, search results are bad, but are you using duckduckgo instead? No, you are still using a Google search to get somewhere even if it's just to use it to find a another site with better pages. Maybe you are using Bing though I know some folks were liked Bing...

Now if you want to argue people are using TikTok as a main search engine now that's a bit different (that's of course not accurate as it has terrible search just like reddit)

But yeah even Google knows people are only using it to find Reddit pages now (which is Reddit started the whole API issue) and why Google and Reddit are fighting a little.

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #8

> Nobody really expects to be able to find anything of value in a Google search now This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet. Deliberately removing yourself from Google is fine for the author who is more concerned about taking an ideological stance than they are about being discove…

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Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by khushalz »

bilekas wrote: post #106

> The web will end one day. But let's not let Google kill it. The web will end one day. Imagining google in it's form today will even exist is a stretch. Google and all the big players today are all fault to some degree of the cesspool we are in at the moment. I get the hate. But the hyperbole of blaming them for the destruction of the internet is just nonsense

yeah

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by khushalz »

bilekas wrote: post #106

> The web will end one day. But let's not let Google kill it. The web will end one day. Imagining google in it's form today will even exist is a stretch. Google and all the big players today are all fault to some degree of the cesspool we are in at the moment. I get the hate. But the hyperbole of blaming them for the destruction of the internet is just nonsense

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Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by onetokeoverthe »

distortedsignal wrote: post #87
distortedsignal wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I'll try that. Top results (excluding sponsors b/c UBlock Origin): PC Gamer The Verge Games Radar Youtube (channel: Jarrod's Tech) A giant ad showing some laptops to buy Youtube (channel: PC Builder) RTINGS.com PC Magazine Youtube (channel: Top Tech Now) CNET Tom's Hardware Another giant ad showing some laptops to buy Engadget PC Magazine Laptop Mag TechRadar These are mainstream tech press sites. And maybe the r…

I want to point out - if you get to the seventh page of Google, it's been known for some time that those results are... specious at best. Check out this xkcd from almost a decade ago: https://xkcd.com/1334/ https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1334:_Second If you're really going to page 7 of Google... man, that's a desperation I've never known.

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Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by ricardobayes »

Aurornis wrote: post #8

> Nobody really expects to be able to find anything of value in a Google search now This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet. Deliberately removing yourself from Google is fine for the author who is more concerned about taking an ideological stance than they are about being discove…

I agree, Google is still pretty good when it comes to ranking. Tried a few alternative search engines are the results are weird at best.
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