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Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by LightBug1 »

ghaff wrote: post #36
fooyc wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google would do anything to make it harder for others to crawl the web. Killing RSS was part of that strategy. News sites will implement these DRMs, but of course they will still allow Google because it is their source of traffic. Alternative search engines and good bots will be locked out.

>Killing RSS was part of that strategy. Oh please. I get that it's more satisfying to blame Google than the faceless masses who had zero interest in RSS and who had a variety of alternatives to Reader in any case. I guess they also had a strategy to kill social media by axing Google+ and user-created encyclopedias by killing Knol.

You can Oh please, but Google will never live that one down.

It'll live on in the history of the internet ... foreverrrrrrrrrrr.

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by distortedsignal »

JohnFen wrote: post #109
distortedsignal wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah - I think that "commercialization and commodification" is kind of what I've attributed this to. I think the webring concept is probably the best way to get away from this, but it's not trivial to find those hidden gems. The good ones become/became less hidden. The bad ones get/got buried. But if these are the complaints about Google - "I only see sites that are so good that they constitute the mainstream" - I'm.…

> "I only see sites that are so good that they constitute the mainstream" The problem as I see it is that the mainstream websites are not good. Search results that gave a broader range of hits than just that sort of thing would be much, much more useful. If I want, for example, to find what laptops people consider the best, none of those sites help me.

Help me out here - could you give me examples of "what laptops people consider the best" pages that aren't in the top of Google? I still don't understand, and I want to.

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by [deleted] »

superkuh wrote: post #2

It's a fine idea. But what I'm taking away from this post is the link to the Google/Chromium web DRM prototype and summary ... yikes. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environ... >- The web page executing in a user's web browser >- A third party that can “attest” to the device a web browser is executing on, referred to as the attester >- The web developers server which can remotely verify attestati…

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Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by shafoshaf »

JohnFen wrote: post #109
distortedsignal wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah - I think that "commercialization and commodification" is kind of what I've attributed this to. I think the webring concept is probably the best way to get away from this, but it's not trivial to find those hidden gems. The good ones become/became less hidden. The bad ones get/got buried. But if these are the complaints about Google - "I only see sites that are so good that they constitute the mainstream" - I'm.…

> "I only see sites that are so good that they constitute the mainstream" The problem as I see it is that the mainstream websites are not good. Search results that gave a broader range of hits than just that sort of thing would be much, much more useful. If I want, for example, to find what laptops people consider the best, none of those sites help me.

The other problem is that for every "good" non-mainstream website there are like 4000 that are so much worse than the mainstream. It is a problem with scale. If everyone has a voice, without some metric to say who has authority, how do you pick the gem from the masses?

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by sclarisse »

JeremyNT wrote: post #115
superkuh wrote: post #2

It's a fine idea. But what I'm taking away from this post is the link to the Google/Chromium web DRM prototype and summary ... yikes. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environ... >- The web page executing in a user's web browser >- A third party that can “attest” to the device a web browser is executing on, referred to as the attester >- The web developers server which can remotely verify attestati…

Yeah... I don't think the original post is the best. This blog post doesn't add much context. Maybe the URL should just be updated to the github document the blog post links? [0] [0] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/...

On the contrary. The URL you post here has been submitted to HN several times (plus my attempt to make the title a little catchier as I linked to the GitHub issue #28, which I titled “Don’t add website DRM to Chrome” in a defensible attempt to expand the title the best I credibly could under HN rules - the issue title is just “Don’t.”)

These all died in obscurity. This blog post by contrast had a catchy title that HN actually engaged with, and as such is measurably superior.

Blame dang & co, for making forum software in which blogspam is the only way to add comment or meaningfully add context and editorialize. (Since blogspam is officially discouraged I’d say the software is not fit for purpose.)

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by devilsAdv0cate »

Aurornis wrote: post #8

> Nobody really expects to be able to find anything of value in a Google search now This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet. Deliberately removing yourself from Google is fine for the author who is more concerned about taking an ideological stance than they are about being discove…

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Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by oAlbe »

bachmeier wrote: post #105
Aurornis wrote: post #8

> Nobody really expects to be able to find anything of value in a Google search now This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet. Deliberately removing yourself from Google is fine for the author who is more concerned about taking an ideological stance than they are about being discove…

> This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet. I mean no harm by this comment, but I think you're the one living in a bubble. Do you watch high school students using the internet? Where do they go for information? Reddit is the first place they look. Then they look for a Discord serve…

> Then they look for a Discord server.

How? Are there ways to search for discord servers that might have content you want inside of them? Like, directories of discord servers? I'm genuinely curious because that would be very useful.

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by all2 »

srsQ wrote: post #84
Aurornis wrote: post #8

> Nobody really expects to be able to find anything of value in a Google search now This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet. Deliberately removing yourself from Google is fine for the author who is more concerned about taking an ideological stance than they are about being discove…

From my reference frame, “being discoverable” is an ideological stance. You can have your tribal perceptions and others are allowed theirs. Social norms are immutable physics. Other people’s content is over rated; I’ve been soaking it up for years and frankly none of it has been as moving as the effort of making my own. Social codependency at scale is proving toxic to the species. We can intentionally “great filter”…

I find this opinion to be solipsistic, but also relevant to the discussion because it moves the focus from consumption to production. I find the focus on producing goods/services/etc. to be more palatable than the consumption focused mindset we often see.

Yes, we're all looking for information, but should we only consume as a way of life? I'll leave that as an open-ended question.

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by aprdm »

bachmeier wrote: post #105
Aurornis wrote: post #8

> Nobody really expects to be able to find anything of value in a Google search now This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet. Deliberately removing yourself from Google is fine for the author who is more concerned about taking an ideological stance than they are about being discove…

> This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet. I mean no harm by this comment, but I think you're the one living in a bubble. Do you watch high school students using the internet? Where do they go for information? Reddit is the first place they look. Then they look for a Discord serve…

discord ? reddit? High school students ? Are you living in the same universe I am ?

If you said Instagram or tictoc or snapchat maybe

Re: Become Ungoogleable

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Post by all2 »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #102
ghaff wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the "deep web" stuff is behind paywalls (like background investigation sites) now. But a number of years ago when some of them were still pretty open, I was pretty floored by how much information you could get on a person if they had an uncommon name and/or you knew just a little bit about them. There is a lot of information that's public as a matter of law--which arguably, in many cases, hasn't reconciled t…

There's tradition when a family has only daughters and the oldest daughter marries, her husband takes her family name.

Who's tradition? This sounds fascinating.
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