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This is marketing. PRISM in the US is proof they don't really care. China and Russia also have data collection on iphones.
I think Apple truly cares about iMessage in particular maintaining E2EE. iCloud backup, for those who use it, is a different story.
Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#552I feel we've been collectively losing the battle to keep our conversations private. The anti-encryption laws are likely vocally opposed only by a minority, while the majority believes they had no privacy to begin with and governments can read your messages at a whim. And perhaps that's true to some extent. But since most people believe the battle is lost, moreso that this has always been the status quo, then any batt…
> The anti-encryption laws are likely vocally opposed only by a minority I'd like you to back up that claim because from what I had seen about surveillance and terrorism most people supported it(even the patriot act had popular support in the polls). Only people smart enough to know about encryption oppose this. Most people who don't understand tech pretty much assume the government is already looking at messages. Lo…
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#553I feel we've been collectively losing the battle to keep our conversations private. The anti-encryption laws are likely vocally opposed only by a minority, while the majority believes they had no privacy to begin with and governments can read your messages at a whim. And perhaps that's true to some extent. But since most people believe the battle is lost, moreso that this has always been the status quo, then any batt…
It's crazy that we allow this at all. The government can't observe clandestine conversations that occur in person, does that mean they can mandate us to carry a government recording device? That people don't equally balk at requests to encumber encryption is baffling.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#554I feel we've been collectively losing the battle to keep our conversations private. The anti-encryption laws are likely vocally opposed only by a minority, while the majority believes they had no privacy to begin with and governments can read your messages at a whim. And perhaps that's true to some extent. But since most people believe the battle is lost, moreso that this has always been the status quo, then any batt…
> I feel we've been collectively losing the battle to keep our conversations private. The USA is still doing pretty good but the UK and the EU are staunchly anti privacy. They're pretty good on consumer privacy but don't believe that privacy from the government should exist.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#555Hm, I wonder what they do in China. In China they are running their own infrastructure on servers owned by party-affiliated businesses. I wonder how strong their encryption is over there? China blocks many services with strong encryption but it doesn’t block iMessage.
Facetime is disabled in China, and on any phones purchased in China. iMessage worked, last I went there.
IIRC it's something to do with needing a license for audio-only telecommunications services. But I also might be entirely wrong about that.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
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> Then they should read the leaked government documents from around the world that contradict what Apple says themselves. On what specifically? > they should at least be able to read the actual code to corroborate its security, but that's not an option either. Why does that matter? You're already trusting Apple hardware. Public access to source code doesn't make security systems safer. I'm not sure what a journalist…
> On what specifically? For starters, PRISM and XKeyscore. Both are damning indictments of the state of surveillance a decade ago , and are so damaging that pretty much every FAANG company denies knowledge of their existence. PRISM was about the outreach the US government has with domestic companies, and XKeyscore showed just how far those connections could be abused. Simply the fact that these leaked documents exist…
Where's this denial by Apple? Or is your argument that because Apple doesn't admit colluding with the NSA they must be doing it. Well that is not falsifiable and what evidence are you speaking to of Apple specifically colluding with the NSA.
> I'd like to audit the code for those as well.
Firmware is not hardware. That would still not address the hardware issue.
> The majority of networked servers online today beg to differ. Over time the industry actually found that it's much safer to use an open and transparent OS than it is to trust a black-box with UB that may-or-may-not be fixed.
Yes, the neckbeards chant since CatB. There are extremely few people not putting their trust in blackboxes. Slapping linux on a box doesn't magically make it transparent - nor does linux have a security record you want to brag about.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
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Keys are managed by the government.
iCloud Keys are managed by a Chinese company, so in practice, yes. iPhone E2E stuff like iMessage, by definition, does not have keys that anyone else (including the government) possess. Though it hardly matters when ~90% of iPhone users likely have iCloud Backup on. In which case their messages will be backed up to the cloud to where the government could get keys.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
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Wait, do you think there are people who think “Let’s Go Brandon” is anything but a hilarious conservative self-own?
How is this a self-own?
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#559I feel we've been collectively losing the battle to keep our conversations private. The anti-encryption laws are likely vocally opposed only by a minority, while the majority believes they had no privacy to begin with and governments can read your messages at a whim. And perhaps that's true to some extent. But since most people believe the battle is lost, moreso that this has always been the status quo, then any batt…
In this plan messages are sent to a third party for analysis. Sure the messages sent to the third party are encrypted but your privacy is entirely violated.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#560Only phones activated in the UK or with UK set as the activating country have to follow the rule? Only if there's a SIM card? What about iPods or MacBooks? What if you bring a US phone to the UK, does it have to magically detect and suddenly allow backdoors?
If you leave the UK with your UK phone, is it allowed to be encrypted then, or the UK wants the ability no matter where you go?