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Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by lostlogin »

vxNsr wrote: post #337
lostlogin wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Signing into your personal accounts on a work machine is a terrible idea, as it opens up your personal accounts to search if there is a lawsuit The machine is mine and I do work on it. Thanks for the concern but I’m not worried about getting sued. I’m sure it’s happened here previously, but it’s not like the US. > Also outside of programmers, IT, and designers, you rarely get a choice in the company issued laptop.…

Anyone working on a trackpad all day probably isn’t doing serious work ;) see we can all make unkind generalizations.

Touché.

Just seeing those laptops is frustrating. What is the point of the trackpad if you have to use a mouse?

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Post by krschultz »

schnuri wrote: post #308
throwaway1777 wrote: post #229

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I don’t think it’s because of not wanting to preserve privacy I think it’s because it takes a shit ton of time to comply with all the orders the EU has pinned on them.

It takes a shit ton of time if to weasel around the GDPR if your business model is to collect as much personal data as possible.

Threads is already GDPR compliant, that's not the only regulation the EU has made that covers these kinds of apps.

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Post by crottypeter »

kingrazor wrote: post #263
Larrikin wrote: post #117

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It's because SMS is simply inferior to Whatsapp, Messenger, Instagram, Line, kakaotalk, Snapchat, Signal, etc unless you own an iPhone. All of them are cross platform and aren't intentionally broken for people who don't have or use iMessage. I personally avoid giving out my phone number as much as possible as all the other platforms have much better tools for communication, blocking, media, etc.

I've never really understood what people mean by this. For me, iMessage is indistinguishable from SMS, except for the color of the messages, and the fact that I can use iMessage over WiFi.

Group messages.

If I send an SMS message to a group of people, they all see a message from me. They don't know who else got it. And if they reply, they reply only to me. Is your experience different?

WhatsApp (and I think iMessage) allow me to create a group with a name/purpose and send messages to the group and receive replies to the whole group.

(P.S. I went from dumb-phones to Android and have limited exposure to iMessage's feature-set).

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by jonplackett »

obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

Tell that to china

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Post by pmontra »

the_duke wrote: post #107
frankfrank13 wrote: post #6

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I think Meta _needs_ WhatsApp to be their loss-leader (not really, but you know) when it comes to security. They always get to say "oh but WhatsApp is E2E!! We do care about security!"

The ironic thing is that WhatsApp very heavily pushes users into Google account backups, which are unencrypted, giving government agencies all the access they want. I remember some talk about those getting encrypted, don't k ow if that has happened yet.

They seems to be end to end encrypted now. It asked me a password to encrypt the backup with. It's a recent feature and you must trust a closed source app. No idea of I can download the backup from Google drive with a web browser and decrypt it with some common decryption program.

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Post by kergonath »

RektBoy wrote: post #342
mihaaly wrote: post #123

I wonder why the UK legislators not preparing a new regulation mandating every keys to every door and safe having a bypass mechanism for government officials. Behind every door and every locked place there could be child pornography and illicit materials hidden!! Every house, every hotel safe are suspects! Criminal oversight, criminal oversight! (and if they think their reasoning for backdoors into online chat and co…

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That is… entirely divorced from reality.

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Post by runjake »

obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

I used to think like this about Google, back in the "Don't Be Evil" days.

I end up living day by day, knowing that nothing is permanent. Right now, I'm with Apple, acutely aware that someday, this will change -- probably when some snake finally manages to slip through similar legislation in the US and it becomes profitably unattractive for Apple to maintain it's privacy stance.

Apple's privacy stance is a marketing thing, after all.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by lesuorac »

obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

Pretty sure it's just section 75 that Apple / Meta take offense to.

(1) OFCOM may require a provider of a regulated service to pay a fee in respect of a charging year which is a fee-paying year.

(2) Where OFCOM require a provider of a regulated service to pay a fee in respect of a charging year, the fee is to be equal to the amount produced by a computation—

(a) made by reference to—

(i) the provider’s qualifying worldwide revenue for the qualifying period relating to that charging year, and

(ii) any other factors that OFCOM consider appropriate, and

(b) made in the manner that OFCOM consider appropriate.

https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/51870/documents/367...

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