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Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by KeplerBoy »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #96
ohgodplsno wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true, they merely have enough cash on hand to fund a small army, enough legal power to crush you in court with anything you attempt. Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would. They're not some miraculous pinnacles of good in a sea of evil. It's just that they merely need to flex the law at you to destroy your life forever. Apple is no different, they'll hire the Pinkertons and break your…

>Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would. Ok, I'll play along. Suppose Tim Cook wakes up tomorrow and decides for some reason he wants me dead. How exactly does he do it?

Hiring a hitman to do it?

There are plenty of unhinged people in this world who do illegal shit for enough money. Do you think some Ex-Wagner mercenary would pass up that offer?

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by tifik »

tarxvf wrote: post #121
wonderwonder wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company doesn't have a hundred thousand armed officers with the ability to arrest / kill me for anything they can claim they found. Government comes equipped with legal violence, the company comes equipped with targeted ads

And the company can give your data to the government with no recourse available to you and no warrant required from the government.

If they choose to sure, but I dont see what incentive they would have. After all, the post is about a company removing products from a market rather than being subject to a law that would allow the gov to force them to do so.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by locustous »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #96
ohgodplsno wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true, they merely have enough cash on hand to fund a small army, enough legal power to crush you in court with anything you attempt. Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would. They're not some miraculous pinnacles of good in a sea of evil. It's just that they merely need to flex the law at you to destroy your life forever. Apple is no different, they'll hire the Pinkertons and break your…

>Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would. Ok, I'll play along. Suppose Tim Cook wakes up tomorrow and decides for some reason he wants me dead. How exactly does he do it?

SOP is to have a team "suicide" you.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by viraptor »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #90
hbn wrote: post #5

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If anything that's a bolder move considering everyone uses Whatsapp there and barely anyone uses iMessage

I've noticed that too and it is super annoying having family in the UK that will only communicate via Whatsapp. Is this because cell providers outside the US charge for SMS? Even the ones who have iPhones end up using it because it is too much of a pain to use separate messaging apps.

SMS was historically expensive and today is still worse with regards to features. (Also international texts as others mentioned) And once you have to choose a specific system, why would you use one that's limited to just part of the market? If you want to use a communicator to talk to people, you may as well go with one that's accessible to everyone.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

Doches wrote: post #3
obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

In fairness, Meta has said the same thing re: WhatsApp, so while Apple deserves _some_ credit here for sticking to their principles, they're not exactly leading the pack. Which brings home the point that if _Meta_ isn't onboard with your privacy-obliterating proposal then you know you've really lost the plot...

True, but to be fair leading the pack was first Element, with Session, Threema, Viber and Signal.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by brasic »

j45 wrote: post #46
Doches wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, Meta has said the same thing re: WhatsApp, so while Apple deserves _some_ credit here for sticking to their principles, they're not exactly leading the pack. Which brings home the point that if _Meta_ isn't onboard with your privacy-obliterating proposal then you know you've really lost the plot...

WhatsApp was a little late to the encryption party

What do you mean? WhatsApp rolled out E2E encryption between 2014 and 2016.

It’s by far the largest messaging service that is e2e encrypted by default. I think it’s more than fair to call it ahead of the curve for a service of its size.

https://www.wired.com/2014/11/whatsapp-encrypted-messaging/ https://blog.whatsapp.com/end-to-end-encryption

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by mihaaly »

f6v wrote: post #22
petercammeraat wrote: post #4

Privacy is a fundamental human right!

Not in a society.

Privacy cannot be defined in solitary situations. : )

The only place where privacy has meaning is in the company of other people. Including society as a kind of group of people.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by [deleted] »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #87
frankfrank13 wrote: post #6

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I think Meta _needs_ WhatsApp to be their loss-leader (not really, but you know) when it comes to security. They always get to say "oh but WhatsApp is E2E!! We do care about security!"

I mean Apple didn't give two stones about security until it became a marketing/selling point as a counterpoint to the big G.

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