Are iMessage and Facetime disabled in China?
No. iMessage and Facetime use end-to-end encryption in China, probably among only a few apps allowed to do so.
Thats really weird, kinda like how Steam existed for so long in China.
Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
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#42Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Apple has been around for a pretty long time as far as tech companies go. So have 100 year old car companies, and I'm old enough to remember many people saying the same things about their favorite car brand in the past ("I'm only buying X brand because they make quality stuff and they never broke my trust") and I also know they changed their opinion recently after a couple of decades. And changing car brands is way…
> And changing car brands is way easier than changing smartphone ecosystems, should one of the two players decide to screw you. In what world ? I have switched from iOS to Android and vice versa multiple times while still driving the same car.
>I have switched from iOS to Android and vice versa multiple
times while still driving the same car.
Did your app purchases form the Google Play Store automatically transfer to your Apple App store, and did your photos off your Google drive transfer to your iCloud, or vice-versa?
Read my comment again, I ware referring to the ecosystems not being interchangeable, not the phones themselves.
The incompatible ecosystems is the tie-in that keeps people tied to their respective walled gardens, not the physical HW phone brick itself which is interchangeable. Once people invested enough money in one ecosystem, they're less likely to switch to the competition as all their data and purchases are trapped.
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#44Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
You are just giving your secrets to a company you can't change instead of a goverment you can elect.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#45Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#46Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
In fairness, Meta has said the same thing re: WhatsApp, so while Apple deserves _some_ credit here for sticking to their principles, they're not exactly leading the pack. Which brings home the point that if _Meta_ isn't onboard with your privacy-obliterating proposal then you know you've really lost the plot...
WhatsApp was a little late to the encryption party
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#47Easy decision considering Apple gains little to no money from them.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights Except for right to repair... And software freedom...
Those are not human rights. Privacy, on the other hand, is.
Specifically, it’s Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...
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#49Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#50I do like how Apple has backed themselves into a consumer-protecting hole here. I’m sure they would love to have access to that much conversational data themselves, of which no other company has access to. If Siri ever improves too significantly I’ll get nervous.
I don't think so. There are people in the world that don't want to pry into other's lives. Collecting un-needed data on people is Nixonian.
I think Apple managed to understand and attract those types of customers. I find a generational disconnect between the 70's computer users and the user in the 00's.