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Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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>Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden Such statements rarely end up ageing like wine in the long run. Why would you be so happy about being owned by some big corporation just because it's your favorite big corporation? Self preservation has taught me not to trust any big corporation, regardless of how good their PR is.

Apple has been around for a pretty long time as far as tech companies go. I have grievances with them, but mostly they do a better than average job on privacy.

>Apple has been around for a pretty long time as far as tech companies go.

So have 100 year old car companies, and I'm old enough to remember many people saying the same things about their favorite car brand in the past ("I'm only buying X brand because they make quality stuff and they never broke my trust") and I also know they changed their opinion recently after a couple of decades.

And changing car brands is way easier than changing smartphone ecosystems, should one of the two players decide to screw you.

My point is people should not be fanboys of any corporation. History has proven they can always turn against their customer, even if Apple so far hasn't done it, but there's time, company management and culture can, and will always change with time, and with constant shareholder pressure for infinite growth there's plenty of opportunities in the future for the tides to turn, mark my words.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

They will only continue to do so while it remains profitable, at some point they will give in. They are a capitalist company, profits are their only concern.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

Except they are quite selective regarding the countries.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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I do like how Apple has backed themselves into a consumer-protecting hole here. I’m sure they would love to have access to that much conversational data themselves, of which no other company has access to. If Siri ever improves too significantly I’ll get nervous.

The difference is that they make money on hardware and the app stores, not on advertising (they have a small ad product but it's probably closer to a rounding error).

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

Unless it's China in which case they will not care about it!

If they did it for China, it will be the same of UK. The cat's out of the bag on this one.

They will probably comply with some backdoor in partnership with Five-Eyes NSA & GCHQ. This is just PR posturing to build consumer trust.

Same with their venture into CSAM in the west. China could ask Apple for the ML be applied to scan for political dissidents.

It's a slippery slope and the frog gets boiled every year.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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The current conservative government is on its last legs before being banished for at least a decade. It appears they already have their eyes on the lucrative private sector and are willing to vandalise the UK with little thought to public protest.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has been around for a pretty long time as far as tech companies go. I have grievances with them, but mostly they do a better than average job on privacy.

>Apple has been around for a pretty long time as far as tech companies go. So have 100 year old car companies, and I'm old enough to remember many people saying the same things about their favorite car brand in the past ("I'm only buying X brand because they make quality stuff and they never broke my trust") and I also know they changed their opinion recently after a couple of decades. And changing car brands is way…

> And changing car brands is way easier than changing smartphone ecosystems, should one of the two players decide to screw you.

In what world ?

I have switched from iOS to Android and vice versa multiple times while still driving the same car.

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