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ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by thrashh »

tracker1 wrote: post #282
dacryn wrote: post #181

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at those form factors, they were quite price competitive. Yes many alternatives cost less, but if you want to tape them to the back of a TV that generates heat and has to be turned on 24/7 to display advertisements, video,..., they were cheapest by far. Or in meeting rooms to display zoom/teams, ... A raspberry pi just doesn't handle those scenario's

An RPi actually can handle those scenarios in many usecases. A Chromecast devices with a server feed can as well.

But not as reliably. Especially the Chromecast.

Paying extra for reliability is absolutely worth it.

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Post by thrashh »

sofixa wrote: post #319
phpisthebest wrote: post #317

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thanks for not reading my comment as I clearly said many apps do not have ARM or Linux compatibility

There is exactly zero reason for an app whose only purpose is to be shown on a screen to be Windows or x86 specific. It can be due to obsolete development practices or obscure vendor requirements, but still..

The main reason is that hiring a bunch of new developers will be 100x more expensive than spending a little extra on a Windows/x86 machine.

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Post by franga2000 »

hot_gril wrote: post #306
hguant wrote: post #290

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I would argue that media pcs and home servers are becoming _more_ not less important, precisely because Netflix, Disney+ et al have become such bad stewards of movies and shows, both in terms of deleting content, and no longer being "worth it" for the price. Anecdotally, I know more and more friends and coworkers who are moving to having their own media servers because they don't want to have to hunt through differen…

I don't think piracy is a broadly popular method of watching media, not because it's wrong but because it's technically challenging and inconvenient. And if it started becoming popular, the industry would respond by either cutting prices or beefing up enforcement. Either way, the STB remains mainstream.

This is very geographically dependent. There are many places where piracy is the primary way, with most primary school children already knowing their way around a BitTorrent client and whatever the biggest tracker in the country is. With software like Jellyfin/Plex and the -arr suite, it only takes one tech-savvy relative to have the whole extended family and friends watching pirated media like genuinely easier Netflix.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by phpisthebest »

sofixa wrote: post #319
phpisthebest wrote: post #317

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thanks for not reading my comment as I clearly said many apps do not have ARM or Linux compatibility

There is exactly zero reason for an app whose only purpose is to be shown on a screen to be Windows or x86 specific. It can be due to obsolete development practices or obscure vendor requirements, but still..

Sure the are...

1. LoB apps need to be run not just on a computer that only shows a screen, but in other contexts, there is no reason to develop a whole new app just for that purpose.

2. Developers who are only used to working with Win API's like WPF, DotNet, etc. or other frameworks that are windows only Why would we want to employ whole new dev team just to maintain that app separate from the apps that run on our Laptops and normal computers

3. Management Tools. If my entire fleet of computers is managed by ConfigMgr and controlled by Group Policy and Compliance Setting why would I want to spin up a completely separate management system like Ansible or something just to control these machines when I could have them integrated into my existing tool set of which my helpdesk and everyone else is trained to use?

I can probably come up with 5 or 10 more reasons

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Post by prmoustache »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #325
smolder wrote: post #300

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> 6600 XT ITX card What is an ITX card? I assume that should say pcie card?

It's something like this https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon%20RX%206600%... Single fan, low profile, high cost.

Low profile? It seems to use the space of a second pci slot at least for cooling according to the picture.

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Post by stevefan1999 »

prmoustache wrote: post #335
stevefan1999 wrote: post #325

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It's something like this https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon%20RX%206600%... Single fan, low profile, high cost.

Low profile? It seems to use the space of a second pci slot at least for cooling according to the picture.

It is still low profile since it is single-fan design and less than 20cm in depth (it's 18cm). Anything beyond 20cm is considered mainstream cards because they can have dual fans which offered better thermal design. The cost margin to have lesser width is a discrepancy of 20% but I drank the kool-aid nonetheless.

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

manmal wrote: post #301
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #271

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For the record, the PN40 not only has 1 SATA internal port, it even has an NVME-capable M.2 slot. I make no claims of the power consumption of the latter since I never used it. If you want a shitton of SATA ports you obviously have to go somewhere else but then even the power consumption of the idling SSDs will start to be troublesome (and when in use will likely necessitate another PSU). I also disagree with the ass…

M.2 SSDs have almost zero idle power draw, if that‘s what you meant? HDDs can spin down and will not draw much in that state. I think it‘s a reasonable assumption for a file server at home that it will spend most of time in spindown. I have seen some problematic reports on external enclosures on Reddit, but maybe they do work fine in many cases.

May be almost zero, but it's not zero! I have never tried DRAM-less NVME SSDs, but I have some samsung SATA 840-870 ones (tried several on this range) that consume around 0.2W on the most idle state they support. Considering my budget was 2W, it is not negligible...

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Post by j45 »

baz00 wrote: post #265
user_named wrote: post #197

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Yeah but for the same money as your Lenovo, you can get something much smaller.

It lurks under my desk getting dusty. I don't care. If it's really small it's really hard to make it lurk somewhere. It's either dangling, in some horrible mount or on top of the desk. There's enough room in the Lenovo for a couple of PCI cards, a couple more disks and a hell of a lot more RAM if I need it too.

The fact that the 8th gen can handle 64gb ram is a nice surprise

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by j45 »

youngtaff wrote: post #111
j45 wrote: post #58

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Lenovo has the thinkcentre line Dell has the optiplex Go has the elitedesk and pro desk All in mini/usff formfactor similar to the size of a Mac mini.

Yeh, I struggle to see the point of a NUC when I can buy one of those used and get much better value https://www.servethehome.com/tag/tinyminimicro/

These are a great size and one I like a lot

Still the NUC size machines have their place, even the small chromeboxes, etc.

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Post by rburhum »

Aromasin wrote: post #188
rburhum wrote: post #170

I wanted to understand what NUC is and what it is used for… but after 13th mention of “NUC” (as if we all knew wth it was), I just gave up. Bad marketing always hurts more than help.

Next Unit of Computing; basically a computer system that's been pushed to the limit of size vs performance using client CPUs. It's only of those classic computer industry TLAs (three letter acronyms) where they assume everyone knows what it means, even though you'd never work it out on your own.

thank you!
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