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that is just total word salad. Please look up what habeas corpus means. It's right there in wikipedia or any other reference work of your choice. Informed consent is not a right. Those are enumerated also in reference works. Medicine in the united states is essentially the opposite of socialized. Good lord.
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What right to be protected from infectious diseases? If it exists then it's been violated my entire life.
Well, it's not an absolute right (and it's obviously constrained by the limits of what it is even in our power to control). But then neither is the right not to be detained, or really any other right. All rights run into limits when they come into conflict with other rights.
> Whereas lockdowns in the Covid-19 case might have contributed to a lengthening of the crisis by delaying herd immunity The point of the lockdown was not to entirely stop the spread- that was obviously not happening. It was to slow the spread to avoid overwhelming hospitals. It allowed us to reduce the lethality of COVID-19 by having more resources per sick person.
Yeah but there were and are nasty side effects to this, covering literally hundreds of millions or rather billions of people in some form. Missed social interaction is super important for child development, but how do you want to measure that, how many harm points do you assign to this versus some old or frail person dying. And look at ie India, delaying the height of infection didn't help them at all, estimated numb…
Which is 0.37% of the population, which is not that high.
The US is right around 0.33%, but that’s also because only 1/3 of us have officially caught it.
> Whereas lockdowns in the Covid-19 case might have contributed to a lengthening of the crisis by delaying herd immunity The point of the lockdown was not to entirely stop the spread- that was obviously not happening. It was to slow the spread to avoid overwhelming hospitals. It allowed us to reduce the lethality of COVID-19 by having more resources per sick person.
Yeah but there were and are nasty side effects to this, covering literally hundreds of millions or rather billions of people in some form. Missed social interaction is super important for child development, but how do you want to measure that, how many harm points do you assign to this versus some old or frail person dying. And look at ie India, delaying the height of infection didn't help them at all, estimated numb…
I wish this meme would die. Not only did Sweden not do well in the pandemic, they also ended up enacting a ton of restrictions, some more stringent than what much of the US had in practice.
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No, but an infectious disease is also limiting on people's freedoms, so it's equally not obvious that those rights override the rights of people to be protected from infectious diseases.
What right to be protected from infectious diseases? If it exists then it's been violated my entire life.
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Over the span of 3 years. To put this in perspective a typical flu year claims ~40K people each year. So Covid over this time span killed about 10X as many people as a typical flu year. If you told people "hey, this year the flu is going to be very bad, probably killing 10 times as many people" would the average response be to close schools and many businesses for over a year? Or would the response be to limit lockdo…
If hospitals said "we're about to run out of room and stop treating everyone" then I would go with whatever prevents that scenario. edit: COVID placed a 20x burden on hospitals versus the flu even with lockdowns. That's without counting the increased difficulty of treating a novel disease, and increased time in hospitals for covid vs flu.
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No, but an infectious disease is also limiting on people's freedoms, so it's equally not obvious that those rights override the rights of people to be protected from infectious diseases.
So at least in the US the founding political ideology is based on natural rights and social contract theory. Your conception is closer to patriarchal rights, which is in conflict (at least here in the US).
Quarantines and stringent public health measures have been part of the functioning of the US in practice since founding (and before).
This article seems to be hoping people will ignore differences between the two pandemics even though we just lived through one of them: * Covid killed far more people. One estimate for global deaths for the 1957 flu is 1.1 million—around the number of deaths from COVID-19 in the U.S. alone * COVID-19 hospitalized more people. Apparently, the 1957 flu did not overburden hospitals. Even with efforts to “flatten the cur…
It's a bit early to be calling it over given its hospitalising millions world wide every week, killings 100s of thousands and disabling millions still. It's a lot worsen than Flu by the numbers so far and it's still successfully raging.
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Are rights like habeas corpus and free and informed consent overridden in a time of war?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_Corpus_Suspension_Act_(....
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Over the span of 3 years. To put this in perspective a typical flu year claims ~40K people each year. So Covid over this time span killed about 10X as many people as a typical flu year. If you told people "hey, this year the flu is going to be very bad, probably killing 10 times as many people" would the average response be to close schools and many businesses for over a year? Or would the response be to limit lockdo…
So what you are saying is that it was known how many people will be killed by covid-19 before any measures have been put in to affect and that those measures had no influence on the number of those who died? If not, what is the point of your post?
Ionnadis was slammed for claiming such a low IFR of 0.27%. But later studies have since reaffirmed his estimates: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9613797/ Even when restricting the analysis to the period before vaccinations, the IFR was between 0.3% and 0.4%. Ionnadis was way closer to the mark than the claims of 1.0 or 1.5% IFR that were common at the time.