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Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Post by throwaway290 »

sundarurfriend wrote: post #82
dgoodell wrote: post #56

I work for NASA. Our budget is like $25B. We’re definitely inefficient and wasteful, but we still do a lot of new things. Just not nearly as much as we could. Microsoft’s operating budget was like $123B last year. There are bugs in office products that have been there for years What exactly are they doing with all that money?

Funding the current AI revolution, for example? https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/22/microsoft-invests-1-billio... https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/23/microsoft-invests-billions... https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-talks-invest-10...

MS is not "funding AI revolution", it is throwing a lot of money to OpenAI (which may as well be considered part of MS considering how much they owe it) to let it keep prices artificially low so users get addicted while it bleeds those money. Simultaneously trying to carve a moat to get some ROI on those money later.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Post by bcjordan »

yladiz wrote: post #11
nubinetwork wrote: post #2

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36690598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36692494 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36693121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36693469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36694188 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36696413 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36696852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36697272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36699844 https:…

Just posting these links, some of which have no comments, is a bit much and not actually helpful. It would be better to do a little more curation and choose the most active ones.

Played with writing a little script to format/sort that:

Microsoft takes pains to obscure role in 0-days that caused email breach - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36740133 - (64 comments)

Microsoft still unsure how hackers stole Azure AD signing key - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36731731 - (9 comments)

WSJ: China allegedly hacked Microsoft Azure - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36693469 - (6 comments)

Microsoft Warns That a Chinese Cyberattack Breached Government Email Accounts - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36697272 - (5 comments)

Thousands of Microsoft Customers May Have Been Victims of Hack Tied to China - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36692494 - (3 comments)

Microsoft government email compromised (and quietly fixed) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36696852 - (3 comments)

WSJ: China Hacking Undetectable from Less Expensive Microsoft Services - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36713560 - (2 comments)

Chinese Hackers Breached Government Email Accounts, Microsoft Says - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36690598 - (1 comments)

China-based hackers breached US gov email accounts, say Microsoft, White House - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36694188 - (1 comments)

Microsoft mitigates 0-day, allowing forged AD tokens - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36708294 - (1 comments)

A cloud flaw gave Chinese spies a key to Microsoft’s kingdom - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36716028 - (1 comments)

Chinese hackers breach email of Commerce SEC Raimondo and State Dept officials - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36719412 - (1 comments)

13 posts with no comments: https://gist.github.com/bcjordan/b579960792ee146f905c3e66f39...

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Post by prepend »

sharts wrote: post #123
Zelphyr wrote: post #32

I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever. However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the…

Microsoft exists to make money. If it made good products, it would not make money.

Good products are not required to make money.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Post by Aerbil313 »

orangepurple wrote: post #42
Zelphyr wrote: post #32

I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever. However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the…

Linux on the desktop is here. Go all-in on KDE. Everything is seamless and just works.

Linux Mint Cinnamon is here as well. It’s more seamless than Windows. Unless you need to specifically run windows-only software. Still I’ll take dual booting or having separate machines rather than using windows as mu daily driver every day of the week.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Post by hotpotamus »

taeric wrote: post #81
giancarlostoro wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It saddens me to say, I don't know what the answer is. I think the answer is a company willing to put in the work to force GPU manufacturers to provide high quality hardware drivers for a commercial Linux Distro. I mean all out partnership with the various vendors. Then sell prebuilts, maybe someone like System76 has come close, or has the capacity to do so. The Linux issues for me always seem to be hardware specif…

I'm curious on the non-sequitur to GPU stuff? At large, running machine learning code has been easily doable in linux for a long time. Frustratingly hard, yes, but no harder than in Windows. Often more repeatable and cheaper to fan out to a fleet of machines, to boot. Is there another aim of GPU that I'm ignoring? Microsoft makes fine enterprise software, sadly. To know and believe that, though, you have to see what…

> Is there another aim of GPU that I'm ignoring?

I'm amused that you seem to have missed what the "G" in GPU stands for. As someone who occasionally plays games, I'm a bit salty about what it did to the prices.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Post by taeric »

hotpotamus wrote: post #145
taeric wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious on the non-sequitur to GPU stuff? At large, running machine learning code has been easily doable in linux for a long time. Frustratingly hard, yes, but no harder than in Windows. Often more repeatable and cheaper to fan out to a fleet of machines, to boot. Is there another aim of GPU that I'm ignoring? Microsoft makes fine enterprise software, sadly. To know and believe that, though, you have to see what…

> Is there another aim of GPU that I'm ignoring? I'm amused that you seem to have missed what the "G" in GPU stands for. As someone who occasionally plays games, I'm a bit salty about what it did to the prices.

But that seems unrelated to Microsoft in the corporate world?

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Post by hotpotamus »

taeric wrote: post #146
hotpotamus wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there another aim of GPU that I'm ignoring? I'm amused that you seem to have missed what the "G" in GPU stands for. As someone who occasionally plays games, I'm a bit salty about what it did to the prices.

But that seems unrelated to Microsoft in the corporate world?

I don't see why the discussion would be limited to the Microsoft corporate world. They make the standard consumer desktop OS for the world and that's still the standard for PC gaming. Personally, I'm thrilled with where System76/Pop!_OS and Steam/Proton are these days, and that's what I use, but I think that's still far from mainstream. The Steam Deck is probably doing the most for Linux based gaming these days.

Even if you think about the corporate world, I'd imagine that there's a lot of CAD on Windows and maybe some 3D animation still? I'm not that familiar with those uses.

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Post by taeric »

hotpotamus wrote: post #147
taeric wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that seems unrelated to Microsoft in the corporate world?

I don't see why the discussion would be limited to the Microsoft corporate world. They make the standard consumer desktop OS for the world and that's still the standard for PC gaming. Personally, I'm thrilled with where System76/Pop!_OS and Steam/Proton are these days, and that's what I use, but I think that's still far from mainstream. The Steam Deck is probably doing the most for Linux based gaming these days. Even…

Most heavy CAD industries are custom. Some likely still on commercial unix platforms.

Is a bit like movie firms. The popular view is that Apple has that locked down, but that seems to only be the prosumer market. Most of the main studios have custom render farms that are probably linux based, nowadays. Studios had the motivation to not get locked into large contracts that grow based on the size of their render farm. (Incidentally, this is why Wacom has such outstanding linux support.)

That said, fair point on this not being limited to corporate. Not sure why I had that bend from the intro post. I was probably biasing it more to the topic of cloud than I was corporate, but those seem roughly related?

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Post by sudosysgen »

midoridensha wrote: post #133
sudosysgen wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does. Outlook is where it is for email because of Windows.

What does Outlook have to do with Windows? Outlook is a web app. Outlook became popular because it was tied to Windows 20 years ago, but today this just isn't the case.

No, Outlook isn't a webapp in a lot of entrenched corporate set ups. Many are relying on outlook plugins that only work on the executable, or don't have Azure AD and use their own local domain controllers, or local mail servers, etc...

And besides, it's far easier to migrate between two webapps than it is away from a native app full of infra.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Post by yencabulator »

o1y32 wrote: post #116
orangepurple wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux on the desktop is here. Go all-in on KDE. Everything is seamless and just works.

None of the comments here seem to address desktop OS in enterprise/government environment, which is what this article about. Linux desktop OS your personal computer? Sure. In an organization where most users are not technical, and where vendors do not release their software? Good luck.

> In an organization where most users are not technical, and where vendors do not release their software?

Like schools? ChromeOS is Linux and seems to be doing ok.

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