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Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever.

However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the same pigs and claiming to have reinvented themselves.

Their support is so ungodly bad that it literally took one of their reps over a day to figure out what timezone I'm in. Meanwhile, two of my employees' emails were being randomly CC'd to the CEO for no apparent reason. The cause? Nobody knows. It just stopped happening. Even Microsoft couldn't tell me why it happened.

With a $2.5 trillion market cap, it may seem like they're killing it but, I really think they're riding on momentum just like IBM did. Twenty years ago, IBM's market cap was double what is is now and, in my experience, their products are every bit as bad (admittedly, I have almost no exposure to their big iron products).

So, what are our alternatives? I know many people who don't like Apple for various reasons. Linux on the desktop has been promised for 20 years. It's closer than it has ever been to being a solid replacement but I don't know that it's quite there yet.

It saddens me to say, I don't know what the answer is. I just know that we need to get away from Microsoft products and fast.

1: In my experience, the only two exceptions are VS Code and SQL Server.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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post #32

I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever. However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the…

> With a $2.5 trillion market cap, it may seem like they're killing it but, I really think they're riding on momentum just like IBM did. Twenty years ago, IBM's market cap was double what is is now and, in my experience, their products are every bit as bad (admittedly, I have almost no exposure to their big iron products).

People are only not shitting on IBM so much anymore because they sold off Lotus Notes...

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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How did you even get all those so fast?

Look at hn.algolia.com, they index pretty much everything on here.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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post #32

I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever. However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the…

I have always believed that MS products are designed in a way to maximize the value of commercial support, certificates, etc.

It's walled garden for lack of a better time and solving problems easily and quickly dilutes the value of MSCE and the army of paid consultants that exist.

It is a completely different universe from Linux

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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post #32

I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever. However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the…

After spending 5 years of corporate work having to wrestle with Azure (in a ci/cd capacity) I would never recommend Microsoft's cloud offerings to anyone.

Problem is that there is no other provider I would rather recommend. They are all bad in one way or another.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okta has been hacked a couple times now...

Was about to say, wasn't all their source code stolen too? https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/22/okta-breach-source-code-gi... Okta looked very bad during the entire saga where they kept denying they were hacked until the proof was insurmountable. Pretty sure there was a large discussion on HN at the time too.

Agree they have shortcomings too, I guess, what I was trying to say is its best not to put all your eggs in one basket and to spread them across different products/companies.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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post #32

I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever. However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the…

> So, what are our alternatives? I know many people who don't like Apple for various reasons. Linux on the desktop has been promised for 20 years. It's closer than it has ever been to being a solid replacement but I don't know that it's quite there yet.

When most people hear the word "Microsoft," their initial thoughts typically revolve around Windows and, at most, Office. However, it is important to note that a significant portion of Microsoft's profits actually comes from their Dynamics 365 offerings.

Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked

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post #32

I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever. However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the…

I have always believed that MS products are designed in a way to maximize the value of commercial support, certificates, etc. It's walled garden for lack of a better time and solving problems easily and quickly dilutes the value of MSCE and the army of paid consultants that exist. It is a completely different universe from Linux

I've had to get their certifications. They're just as much garbage as the rest of their offerings. The courses they provide are nothing but marketing material. They don't improve your understanding of the products at all.

I found out later that they use their certs as filters for resellers to help Microsoft identify which ones are serious players. What a waste of time and money.

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