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Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

jjcon wrote: post #3
withinboredom wrote: post #2

Jeez man. Everyone keeps bashing on Microsoft for this shit. Have they seen Google, Amazon, etc?

Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. My personal ranking for worst antitrust offenders would be: 1) Apple 2) Amazon 3) Google 4) Microsoft Internationally that may be slightly different though. I’d also maybe include meta for their oculus purchase but I think they’ve tied it into their core, “social” business well enough that I’m not very concerned at the moment when there are bigger fish to fry.

>Apple is the worst of the bunch imo.

Not if you look at their respective market share.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by ralfd »

politelemon wrote: post #5
withinboredom wrote: post #2

Jeez man. Everyone keeps bashing on Microsoft for this shit. Have they seen Google, Amazon, etc?

Apple, Google, Tesla etc seem to have mastered the art of regulatory dodgeball through observational experience and a successful series of pr campaigns of brand identity. There's no better evidence than HN itself where it's common practice to defend these companies for the analogous actions. That same perception is why I think ms tends to be under scrutiny, as it should, but others don't. It's a real shame.

Apple and Tesla don’t have a monopoly. But the eye of Sauron gazes on Apple too (eg they are forced to end their Lightning connector).

As is Google: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_...

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by throwaway33608 »

withinboredom wrote: post #2

Jeez man. Everyone keeps bashing on Microsoft for this shit. Have they seen Google, Amazon, etc?

So the only competition left in tech is about which one of the monopolies is the worst? :)

It was kind of bizarre realizing all the promises from Silicon Valley about a better world materialized into a monopolistic rent seeking surveillance adtech, basically. Personally, 10 years ago I was still breathing the "let's change the world" -ethos. The world got changed alright, for much worse.

Let's hope EU brings some sanity back into the market.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by Hamuko »

kwanbix wrote: post #4
withinboredom wrote: post #2

Jeez man. Everyone keeps bashing on Microsoft for this shit. Have they seen Google, Amazon, etc?

I also don't understand what they expect. That Microsoft bundles google meet? amazon chime? Slack?

What if they didn't bundle anything?

I installed Windows 11 this week and had to uninstall Teams, Spotify and others. Why are these even being bundled with the OS?

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by johnnyanmac »

eitland wrote: post #10

This is really good, but needs to be done in parallel with the investigation of how Google destroyed a thriving browser market just as it was recovering from IE. (Massive ad campaigns, and products that had weird bugs in other browsers for no good reason.)

I mean, the former is 90% of modern capitalism (even in supposedly democratic "politicss"), and it's very hard to prove the latter due to the nature of code (especially with the spaghettigi and duct tape we call a "programming language").

Like half of Javascript, user-agents were a horribly abused concept that many sites have perverted for various technical and non-technical reasons. "weird bugs in other browsers for no good reason" describes most of the 00's web development environment.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #11
jjcon wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. My personal ranking for worst antitrust offenders would be: 1) Apple 2) Amazon 3) Google 4) Microsoft Internationally that may be slightly different though. I’d also maybe include meta for their oculus purchase but I think they’ve tied it into their core, “social” business well enough that I’m not very concerned at the moment when there are bigger fish to fry.

>Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. Not if you look at their respective market share.

Apple owns the majority mobile US market share. It's basically a monopoly.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by veave »

eitland wrote: post #10

This is really good, but needs to be done in parallel with the investigation of how Google destroyed a thriving browser market just as it was recovering from IE. (Massive ad campaigns, and products that had weird bugs in other browsers for no good reason.)

"massive ad campaigns" is hardly an antitrust matter.

Chrome ate Firefox and IE back in the day because it was monumentally better, technologically speaking.

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