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Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Post by postmortembees »

gruez wrote: post #384
postmortembees wrote: post #47

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I wonder how many instacart/uber orders I would need to have to offset the cost of a car, assuming I can bike to most of my needs. The only reason I have a car is because there are some specialized transportation needs (towing) that I cannot get from my bike. I use my bike for everything from hardware to Costco to groceries to child care to ... lots of stuff.

> I wonder how many instacart/uber orders I would need to have to offset the cost of a car, assuming I can bike to most of my needs. Not that much. One site[1] lists the TCO of a compact car at around $33k/year if you drive it for 15k mi/year for 5 years. That works out to $550/month. Of course, if you're comparing this to getting ubers, there's no way that you'll be driving anywhere near 15k mi/year, so the TCO of a…

I've got an ebike that takes me anywhere within ~10 miles easily, including picking up/drop off kids), and I'm a remote worker (though I could bike to the office easily.)

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Post by master-lincoln »

Minor49er wrote: post #412
master-lincoln wrote: post #174

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By making it hard to obtain weapons. The US thinking to me seams to go along the lines of handing out nuclear weapons to everybody so forces are balanced...

Shinzo Abe might disagree with this

He was right leaning so you are probably correct. But I would think his murder might have happened earlier if weapons were legal for most citizens as in the US.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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threeio wrote: post #168
giobox wrote: post #105

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I haven't seen a separate keypad immobilizer (the kind where you put key in ignition and turn, but engine wont start until a pin is entered into a separate keypad in the cabin) since I last sat in a Peugeot 205 in the early 90s - I'd be shocked to see one on anything made in the last decade that isn't a weird aftermarket accessory. I've never seen this on a rental car in Europe/US in recent memory. The pin pads Ford…

Travel to Israel, its in -every- car.

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Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Post by tonymet »

kodt wrote: post #244
tonymet wrote: post #184

this is a case where they should have run the idea by an ex car thief. How is this any better than a hidden killswitch under the glove box or behind the gas pedal? Once the attacker knows they can just short the circuit.

Also this does nothing to hinder armed carjacking where the car is already running. These are way up since 2020.

i've seen some unsettling videos of attackers approaching vehicles when the auto-door-unlock activates.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Post by Minor49er »

master-lincoln wrote: post #562
Minor49er wrote: post #412

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Shinzo Abe might disagree with this

He was right leaning so you are probably correct. But I would think his murder might have happened earlier if weapons were legal for most citizens as in the US.

I'm not so sure. The assassin took advantage of the fact that nobody was expecting a gunman. In an armed society, there would have been more defense measures present to prepare for such an attack

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Post by yencabulator »

oxfordmale wrote: post #103
gruez wrote: post #16

>At the end of the three-year project, the team aims to have a commercially viable prototype that can be scaled up to commercial production, first as a theft deterrent device, and potentially later as a complete vehicle entry and control system that could replace traditional keys and fobs. What's the point of this? Modern cars already have engines that are cryptographically tied to keys[1]. They're not perfect, but i…

What about a classical mechanical key? I am referring to a laser cut key, the type that can't be easily lock picked, other than in Hollywood movies. The problem is relay theft, where thief's relay the signal of your fob key inside the house to the car via a simple antenna and amplifier system. Cryptographically signing won't help. However, this can be fixed by adding a motion sensor that makes key fobs go into a slee…

> The problem is relay theft, where thief's relay the signal of your fob key inside the house to the car via a simple antenna and amplifier system. Cryptographically signing won't help.

It seems relay theft could be 100% prevented by measuring the response time, and capping it to whatever is the equivalent of say 100 meters + processing time in key fob.

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Post by hyperdimension »

henryfjordan wrote: post #296
tgv wrote: post #214

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I really can't imagine that. So you save some driver time. They're usually idle before delivery already, there's no driver shortage, and drivers/delivery isn't expensive. So there's only a small amount to undercut. For the profit to become interesting, you'd need a massive volume, but then you'd be forced to maintain a large fleet of mobile ovens. There's no automated driving, so you'd need drivers anyway. You'd have…

The fact that Dominos practically begs people to come in and pick up their pizzas themselves undercuts your arguments about driver idle time. Maybe in your market they sit idle, but in mine I'd imagine they are spending 90%+ of their time fulfilling orders. My orders often spend 10min in the "Quality Check" state (waiting for a driver under a heat lamp). Automated driving is orthogonal to the bake-as-you-drive model.…

Arch that "quality check" thing bugs me to no end. It's the lie that bothers me: it's not like they're individually inspecting every single pepperoni or anything. They just don't have a driver available. Don't lie to me!

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Post by autoexec »

boringg wrote: post #330
autoexec wrote: post #176

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I promise that you'll never once deal with the stress of knowing that someone has raided your tomb.

A promise you can't keep!

But a safe promise to make since you'll be too dead to complain if it's proved wrong.

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Post by andirk »

kid64 wrote: post #369
andirk wrote: post #342

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In California, if youre car is stolen and then found, the cops will give you a fat ticket and tow your car and then give you a ticket for it getting towed. Somehow getting the car towed is also a ticket.

Yep. Shameless re-victimization.

Moving illegally parked cars for the myriad reasons it is necessary is completely understandable. The fuckery, though, is beyond the pale. It should be a fine of the cost of doing business of moving your piece and not a penny more. Instead it's a racket
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