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A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Exactly. What's even worse is that it takes a huge research grant to come up with this. > With a new $1.2 million dollar grant from the National Science Foundation...

That amount of money is absolutely nothing compared to the waste that goes on in the startup industry. Remember the $445 million self driving pizza oven delivery van?

How could one justify the other? Justifying waste by pointing to more waste is insane.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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1.2 million grant for this? Now I’ve seen grift, but come on. I want to hire their grant writer. Literally a relay in the starter lead. This looks like one of my afternoon projects, and I’m not even joking. I have a 1990s montero diesel and it leaks power, and I often forget to disconnect the terminal. So I bought a relay from AliExpress (same one shown in this photo but one size up) and hooked it up with an esp32 an…

This is a frustrating yet common sort of take. Yes, this is simple, as the article clearly points out. Yes it is obvious in retrospect. But did you do anything with your brilliant work besides bodge your terrible car a few more miles down the road? There is value to developing the entire system... to ensuring the keypad mechanism is reasonably robust and tamper proof. There is value to understanding the vehicle as a…

$1.2 million sounds like a lot but there is a team of people working on it for a whole year. There is some insurance OP doesn't have in case it's proven one of these devices did cause a crash. If this was some Kickstarter I feel like it would cost more and be 3 years behind already.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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It is obvious in retrospect because this concept has been around for 30 years. A common killswitch mechanism that I remember being implemented in the early 90's was a system that tied into accessory devices. On my friends car you had to put the key to ACC, then turn the cruise control on and off, and then engage and disengage the parking brake before the car would start. No other obvious lights, buttons, switches, et…

And despite being around for 30+ years it’s not broadly adopted despite a significant rise in car thefts.

I would say because of how it must be installed, and that it is probably not common knowledge. In my country, it is not unheard of, but I hadn't heard of it until my electrician mentioned seeing one on a car he worked on recently. I asked if he can install one for me, and he said he doesn't know how, nor did he know the name of the person that installed the one on the other car.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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"But also, bricks through windows are equally not difficult and not expensive, though they do leave a bit more evidence" But that would be loud. You don't want attention when breaking in. (Unless you are a fucked up junkie not caring about anything anymore) But yes, my parents for example are paranoid about always locking the front door 2 times(and get angry if I don't do it when I visit), but have a glass door in th…

The best locks offer is that you have to plan a break-in in advance; i.e., you have to have your lockpicking tools with you. That said, you can pick master locks with a paperclip; I've done it. So it's not much of a barrier. That said, just because people have low-security locks on their house doesn't mean that better options aren't available. I have Medeco locks. They are harder to pick than what you get at the hard…

Number three is binding, we've got a nice click out of three!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fh6IHCr7uo

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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If you could get that robot-cooks-as-you-drive idea right, even without the self-driving bit, you can out-compete Dominos by saving half the trips (back to store from delivery address). The technology was immature but the fundamentals were there, and they'd save a not-insignificant amount of gas.

I really can't imagine that. So you save some driver time. They're usually idle before delivery already, there's no driver shortage, and drivers/delivery isn't expensive. So there's only a small amount to undercut. For the profit to become interesting, you'd need a massive volume, but then you'd be forced to maintain a large fleet of mobile ovens. There's no automated driving, so you'd need drivers anyway. You'd have…

The fact that Dominos practically begs people to come in and pick up their pizzas themselves undercuts your arguments about driver idle time. Maybe in your market they sit idle, but in mine I'd imagine they are spending 90%+ of their time fulfilling orders. My orders often spend 10min in the "Quality Check" state (waiting for a driver under a heat lamp).

Automated driving is orthogonal to the bake-as-you-drive model. Dominos will also switch to self-driving when they can.

The cost of owning 10 oven-vans vs 1 store + 10 regular cars will be the tough part and will require scale, but pizza is big business.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Here is the link to the award (I think): https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=2245223&His... Probably half the award is taken up by indirect costs at the university, leaving the remainder for a few PhD students to be funded, money for the devices, and any studies where they are probably paying participants to use the device. $1.2M doesn't go that far in terms of grants. As far as whether this is a good in…

Half is taken by the university? How does that work?

Only half. The university bureaucracy is great and all powerful

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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What about a classical mechanical key? I am referring to a laser cut key, the type that can't be easily lock picked, other than in Hollywood movies. The problem is relay theft, where thief's relay the signal of your fob key inside the house to the car via a simple antenna and amplifier system. Cryptographically signing won't help. However, this can be fixed by adding a motion sensor that makes key fobs go into a slee…

> What about a classical mechanical key? can be picked >The problem is relay theft, where thief's relay the signal of your fob key inside the house to the car via a simple antenna and amplifier system. Cryptographical signing won't help. AFAIK the attack you describe only applies to keyless entry systems (ie. you can open and start a car without having to pull your key out), which is related but not the same as an im…

Picking a laser cut key isn't trivial. Even picking a standard house lock isn't trivial, especially not in the dark.

They don't clone the key, they use an antenna to amplify the signal from your key fob and then drive off. In principle you can do this by following someone, but much safer to do this at 2am at night. Similar to a one time password, the signal is only valid for a short period of time.

Re: A surprisingly simple way to foil car thieves

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Investors using 0% interest loans funded by taxpayers.

I’ve noticed 10-15 years of almost no innovation, but a ton of wealth transfer… but the FED still says ZIRP was a good idea.

> almost no innovation

The last 15 yrs in Biotech (esp genetics) and ML were more exciting than the previous 50.

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