Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked
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Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked
#62This headline does a good job of pointing out why we shouldn't allow backdoors in encryption.
no one said it was a backdoor, though. you have to have a key to encrypt stuff, and it was that key which got leaked, somehow . a backdoor is a way around the use of a key to see secret messages, or an alternate key which allows you to view messages without compromising the key which encrypts messages in normal operation. could have been a backdoor, sure, could have been something else. could have been carelessness.…
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Linux on the desktop is here. Go all-in on KDE. Everything is seamless and just works.
> Everything is seamless and just works. I have zero confidence in that testimonial, given my own experience with open source desktop environments, and KDE. zero confidence whatsoever.
* You often need to do non-standard system tweaks to get the system in a working state. It's everything-doesn't-work-by-default.
* You often need to install/prevent instalation of bad quality drivers and associated bundleware to make devices work.
* Microsoft can't decide what UI framework they will support (or drop support) so built-in applications happens to be built with the current "thing", the old ones staying on the older unsupported frameworks.
* You need to constantly tweak a combination of Windows 3.11 control applets, Windows 95 control panel applets, Windows 7 unified control panel glass, and Metro Settings Universal Windows Platform app to keep things working.
* Microsoft can't decide what random widgets go on the taskbar, or the file manager, or your start menu, so it's always disrupting things every few updates.
It is arriving at a point where the only "consistent" UI thing in Windows is Steam, and Steam isn't built-in, and is a hot mess of inconsistent UI itself.
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#64I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever. However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the…
After spending 5 years of corporate work having to wrestle with Azure (in a ci/cd capacity) I would never recommend Microsoft's cloud offerings to anyone. Problem is that there is no other provider I would rather recommend. They are all bad in one way or another.
Could you explain a little further what you don't like about Azure and why you would still recommend it over the competitors?
Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked
#65I work for NASA. Our budget is like $25B. We’re definitely inefficient and wasteful, but we still do a lot of new things. Just not nearly as much as we could. Microsoft’s operating budget was like $123B last year. There are bugs in office products that have been there for years What exactly are they doing with all that money?
Re: Microsoft lost its keys, and the government got hacked
#66I work for NASA. Our budget is like $25B. We’re definitely inefficient and wasteful, but we still do a lot of new things. Just not nearly as much as we could. Microsoft’s operating budget was like $123B last year. There are bugs in office products that have been there for years What exactly are they doing with all that money?
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet, fascinatingly, very very little discussion. 60-ish comments was the most on any of those posts.
This really surprised me when I learned of this story on the weekend. Very little discussion, very little reception in IT news. Someone hacked Azure AD [1] and accessed the data of 25+ orgs and the reaction is *crickets*? [1] I'm not exactly sure which Azure component was hacked and the MS communication seems intentionally unclear and obtuse on this. It sounds like the private keys of Azure-internal auth servers were…
Microsoft have two identity services being MSA and AAD. MSA is used for consumer Microsoft accounts for use with products like Xbox. AAD is Azure AD that businesses use. When a client wants to authenticate to a Microsoft service, it asks MSA to sign a token for services accepting MSA tokens, or asks AAD to sign a token for services accepting AAD tokens. Someone has gained access to an "inactive" (but not "invalidated"/revoked) MSA signing key. It's not stated in the analysis whether Microsoft services such as Xbox would have accepted a token signed with an "inactive" MSA signing key, but it sounds like this may have been the case. It's just consumer privacy and security at stake and the attackers apparently weren't interested in that, so the analysis is rather ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on consumer impact.
The problem for Microsoft is that they had incorrectly configured OWA API to accept tokens signed by the MSA identity services even when accessing mailboxes that should require an AAD signed token. So now the attacker could access mailboxes for all business and government users around the world (excluding GCC High, DoD, etc which Microsoft state are not exposed to public networks).
Microsoft only found out after one of their diligent customers queried Microsoft on why they were seeing logs for user mailboxes being accessed in unexpected ways. Speculatively (not in the analysis) this may have been noticed as a random IP address outside of allowed subnets accessing mailboxes at odd hours, and the customer checked their AAD configuration to ensure IP subnet restrictions were configured correctly and verified the user was not overseas.
The attacker looks to have been quite careless by accessing OWA API from very obvious red flag locations for legitimate users. For example, the attacker could have used a residential ISP subnet in Washington DC to access a GCC hosted mailbox of a government agency with a presence in Washington DC, and only done so in hours that an employee may be working from home in Washington DC. Or the attacker could have gone after soft targets like small to medium businesses that contract to the government, hoping these soft targets wouldn't be monitoring nor have the ear of Microsoft for prompt incident response. Instead, the attacker has used random dedicated hosting providers in places as far as Europe and accessed mailboxes during hours coinciding with business hours half way between the US and Europe. It's possible the attackers thought this attack would be detected quickly, and therefore were always just going for a hit-and-run approach knowing they'd get their data prior to the attack being noticed and blocked. But it does make the attacker look brazen at best, and unsophisticated and careless at worst.
[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2023/07/14/ana...
[2] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescripti...
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#70I hate to go negative. I really do because, usually it doesn't improve the discourse whatsoever. However, I feel like it needs to be said: Microsoft makes bad products[1]! They're overpriced, insecure, slow (it's astounding to me how slow their web properties are), and hard to use. Easily some of the worst UI I've ever seen and, what's worse, they've been like that my entire career. They keep slapping lipstick on the…
Linux on the desktop is here. Go all-in on KDE. Everything is seamless and just works.
Just say “better.” Gnome and KDE are decidedly not perfect, but they are both quite usable even by casual windows-only non-techies.
FWIW I’ve been using Linux as my primary desktop OS for more than 20 years—it does no one any good to oversell it. Touchpad scrolling rate is still broken on Gnome/Firefox. Angels have to sing (or use xorg) to make s3 suspend work. Fedora auto-update can break if there’s “too many” packages to update. Touchpad scrolling can be misinterpreted as swipe-left or swipe-right by KDE on some hardware.
The point is, if you bang against any of these sorts of issues in Windows, you’re frequently stymied. On Linux, you can either fix it, or at least route around the damage with an alternative.