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Re: LazyVim

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Post by turboponyy »

sidibe wrote: post #285
distcs wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ctrl+C and Esc do not behave the same in all contexts. The correct replacement for Esc is Ctrl+[. What if you need to type `jj`? Not uncommon to do so while writing math or physics papers. a_{jj}

Spacemacs defaults to fd, I don't think I ever accidentally left insert mode with that. Happy vscode user these days. If I find myself fiddling with an editor it's a huge red flag to me that I hate what I'm working on.

fd sounds much worse as now you can't jump to d characters.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by roland35 »

eptcyka wrote: post #245
p-e-w wrote: post #148

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> Was that expressly written to parody Vim? Yes. The advice to turn the yoke upside down is supposed to reference remapping Caps Lock to Escape, without which Vim destroys your pinky on a standard keyboard. But it's the choice of professionals, so what can we do?

What about control+c? Also, I've never used vim without remapping `jj` to .

I think jk is a bit easier to type but they both work well!

Re: LazyVim

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Post by bregma »

noud wrote: post #132

Am I the only one using vanilla vim with a minimal configuration file ( Very easy to setup. Moreover, when I'm on a different computer and open (vanilla) vim without any configurations. I know that everything is more or less the same as my default vim environment. I think it's not that hard to learn developing in the default vim environment, with some minor tweaks. Also related, How to Do 90% of What Plugins Do (With…

No. I've been dragging my small (106 line) .vimrc around pretty much unchanged for at least a couple of decades. It's mostly just setting different colour schemes for different filetypes. I've been a vi user for about 4 decades.

I need a small, fast text editor that works over remote connections, works on Linux and Windows, needs no configuration or plugins to be useful, and just works and gets out of my way. VSCode does not fulfill most of those needs. Plain old vim (and not neovim) does.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by stavros »

baq wrote: post #294
stavros wrote: post #258

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What are the other gains you like?

There's an extension for almost everything, right there in the UI. The fact that it's electron means there is native support for graphical preview in e.g. markdown, mermaid, plantuml, jupyter, etc. Relatively sane defaults. I haven't tweaked much of the editor except the color scheme and shell startup timeout. Zero messing around with language server setup. It's 'install extension' and go. Sometimes a window reload i…

That's a good list, thanks. I didn't know of remote SSH, that's a compelling feature.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by Shorel »

IceDane wrote: post #293
Shorel wrote: post #286

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This reads so much like that macho programmer who wrote everything in assembler from a few decades ago. I will keep using Sublime Text. No need to suffer needlessly.

This is pretty ironic, given that Sublime Text is basically dead in terms of community, number of users, etc and definitely isn't a full IDE.

Been reading that for years.

The language server protocol works perfectly fine with ST4, and it is better than ever. Whatever our small community needs, it's there.

The fact it is not a "full IDE" is also one of the reasons I like it.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by skydhash »

oblio wrote: post #283
gsinclair wrote: post #241

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I think your experience report of the NeoVim subreddit is severely misrepresentative of reality. I have never seen a RTFM response. Many answers point to exactly which part of the documentation would be helpful. Your Jenga tower of dependencies is much more imagination than fact. If you want Black to format your Python files on save, write an autocommand. That's what they're there for. If you need help to do that, as…

> If you want Black to format your Python files on save, write an autocommand. That's what they're there for. If you need help to do that, ask for it. The real question would be: Why does the 50 year old editor with supposedly a huge community and tons of editors not have support for a popular formatter for probably the most popular programming language on the planet, and instead everyone has to write their own (prob…

Because it's been here before the formatter and will be here after it. I don't think there is any support for any formatting tool, except the general act of formatting for every formatting tool. And if you find your config has multiple lines just to format languages you've touched, then it's time to build a plugin or search for one. And if you find it, and it's quite not like you want, extend it as most plugins are open source and free.

If the tool doesn't suit you, build your own or find another.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by _7tgr »

oblio wrote: post #283
gsinclair wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your experience report of the NeoVim subreddit is severely misrepresentative of reality. I have never seen a RTFM response. Many answers point to exactly which part of the documentation would be helpful. Your Jenga tower of dependencies is much more imagination than fact. If you want Black to format your Python files on save, write an autocommand. That's what they're there for. If you need help to do that, as…

> If you want Black to format your Python files on save, write an autocommand. That's what they're there for. If you need help to do that, ask for it. The real question would be: Why does the 50 year old editor with supposedly a huge community and tons of editors not have support for a popular formatter for probably the most popular programming language on the planet, and instead everyone has to write their own (prob…

It does, you'd just have to install a python plugin that registers the autocommand-- or leave out the plugin and register the autocommand yourself. The (n)vim/emacs communities aren't fond of integrating the hot new thing for each language directly into the editor-- I think this is a lesson that comes from being 50 years old!

As for whether it would be buggy, I'd doubt it? Unless Black's principle of operation is different from most formatters, it should just write the formatted contents to the file, right? The autocommand you'd use would just run Black on your current file on each save. So where % is Vim's symbol for the name of the currently open file, :silent! suppresses stdout/stderr from the formatter, and :! runs a command:

autocmd BufWritePost *.py silent! ! %

(Don't quote me on that, but it should be essentially correct. I'm not at a computer right now.)

Actually, it looks like you can install an (n)vim plugin from the official Black repo here:

https://github.com/psf/black/blob/main/plugin/black.vim

And then the autocmd would be

autocmd BufWritePost *.py silent! Black

This stuff is documented here: https://black.readthedocs.io/en/stable/integrations/editors....

Anyway, I think it's actually a really cool effect of doing this that you realize a lot of the scaffolding underneath most editors _isn't_ that complicated! It's totally understandable :)

Re: LazyVim

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Post by afarviral »

konart wrote: post #156
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

>The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lu Can't agree with this at all. I don't think I've spent more than an hour in total setting up my vim config back in…

Haha 1-2 hours ... Maybe things have improved since 2018 but I was up to about 25 hours and still not satisfied with the results. That might be just being a perfectionist or coming from another IDE and trying to replicate something. But 1-2 hours is not a reasonable amount of time to set aside to set up a truly usable custom ide with neovim to acquire the knowledge to drive it.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by SanderNL »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I feel you, but I’d like to point the Finger in the other direction as well: (modern) programming is not sane. The tools and the environment are not made to be sharp and minimal, we are not using hammers and screwdrivers, we are all using custom made chainsaws with hundreds of proprietary extensions and that’s about as minimal as it gets. Sometimes it’s actually more like wielding multiple nunchucks each covered with chainsaws.

It’s quite disappointing we need multiple layers of assistance to even begin our work. Syntax, autocomplete, go-to def. These sound like simple things, but are fiendishly difficult. Catering to all the various languages’ their idiosyncrasies is, as you have noticed, a task beyond the community.

If something like editing some basic pieces of code takes multiple man-years to facilitate and requires “language servers” I tend to look towards the environment that produces such monstrosities.

Maybe we could stop complicating things so damn much? Impractical I know, but I won’t give up an ideal just because it can’t be reached (now).

Re: LazyVim

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Post by cassepipe »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #90
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

FWIW, I still use regular vim with ale [0] and it does everything I want. It formats files with Black and isort, shows ruff and pyright errors, supports jumping to definitions, and has variable information available on hover. It also does this for every other language I write in. I have collected my config over the past several years, but I pretty rarely encounter errors with it. It requires no additional dependencie…

I have also been able to program for years in C with vim + ale + gutentags but if you start doing some web with all its litlle dsl, it gets overwhelming quite rapidly. In this case LunarVim (or others) is a relief.
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