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The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by api »

zen_1 wrote: post #277
api wrote: post #82

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One thing the Internet has at least weakened is age stratification in culture, for the simple reason that it's hard to tell how old people are online. Also I'm not talking so much about Fox News right wingers. I'm talking about the 4chan /pol stuff. The stuff Fox provides is the radio-safe edit.

Those goddamn 13 year old Estonians are at it again! https://estonianworld.com/security/a-global-neo-nazi-organis...

Yup. Teenage edgelords can create international movements now.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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maxbond wrote: post #276
skissane wrote: post #275

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> I can tell you that I can identify an ideology for every conspiracy that I am familiar with. Are you familiar with UFO conspiracy theories such as Area 51/Roswell/etc? What is their ideology? How about JFK assassination conspiracy theories, what ideology are they? What is the ideology of the moon landing hoax theory? Or the conspiracy theory (which a taxi driver once tried to convince me of) that the passengers on…

> Yes, a good friend of mine was quite taken in by PizzaGate. I'm sorry that happened. That's really rough. I've also known some conspiracy theorists. > Are you familiar with UFO conspiracy theories such as Area 51/Roswell/etc? What is their ideology? How about JFK assassination conspiracy theories, what ideology are they? What is the ideology of the moon landing hoax theory? Or the conspiracy theory (which a taxi dr…

I never assumed bad faith on your part, yet here you've done that to me. It isn't kind, and it ignores the explicit statement in the site guidelines [0] to "Assume good faith"

I actually do have a substantive point. I admit I probably could have made it clearer. I'd be happy nice to clarify, but you are telling me you don't want to hear it.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by tivert »

RC_ITR wrote: post #247
tivert wrote: post #234

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> I always think it’s so interesting that on the threads about counterculture, nobody brings up the obvious counterculture that is a huge topic of conversation in America: Homeless people. I don't think homelessness is a counterculture, unless it's been adopted as a conscious choice/preference. My understanding is the vast majority of homeless are such because of involuntary mental health/substance abuse issues or po…

Did you choose to be part of Western culture?

> Did you choose to be part of Western culture?

That's irrelevant. IMHO, making the conscious choice to rebel against mainstream culture is the defining characteristic of a counterculture. Not all cultural affiliations typically have so much "choice" but countercultures do.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by Levitz »

dfxm12 wrote: post #186
Levitz wrote: post #169

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>You could have said this at least for the last 70 years. It doesn't change the systemic issues that enable prejudice against minorities. This means prejudice is still more mainstream than tolerance While I find it impossible to quantify, I think we can at least assure that prejudice is frowned upon by society. Things have definitely changed in 70 years. >Recently, there was a SCOTUS ruling that allows one to refuse…

I think we can at least assure that prejudice is frowned upon by society. No, you can't. If it was, at a minimum SCOTUS wouldn't be playing games wrt signaling that it's OK do discriminate against same sex couples. Also at a minimum, we wouldn't have so much, let alone rising amounts of hate crime [0]. Unfortunately, society is pretty split on the whether prejudice is good or bad. 0 - https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-r…

It seems to me that you are grasping at straws in order to paint a picture of oppression that doesn't match reality. I do believe that your convictions are good, but I don't think this helps them.

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Post by helboi4 »

xhkkffbf wrote: post #86
ravenstine wrote: post #19

The real counterculture right now is non-participation . In a world where virtually everything is either designed to completely waste your time or fail and not be repairable, it's a highly radical act to stop consuming like the 95%, preferring to spend time with other humans in reality doing something that isn't technological. In spite of the popular world pushing the message that you will be fulfilled living in virt…

There are dozens of memes floating around claiming that the counterculture is made of of people getting married to someone of the opposite sex, raising a family, practicing a religion, eating meals together, celebrating the holidays together etc. Naturally, these folks have left social networks like Facebook and Instagram far behind.

All sounds nice and I've love that. But I do happen to be gay and it's not a choice so it would need to be a same sex partner. Seems like being straight can't be a counterculture because you can't just do it to be edgy and it is still the majority and the hegemony bro

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Post by helboi4 »

alwaysbeconsing wrote: post #166
helen___keller wrote: post #114

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Some people really really hate tofu I guess. Probably never had a great mapo tofu, that stuff slaps

Mapo tofu doesn't seem like a good counterexample since the pork component is as important as the tofu to the dish. Granted there are veg versions using mushrooms as an alternative.

Pretty much every asian tofu dish in its authentic form includes meat. Tofu was never seen as a meat replacement in its countries of origin. However, if you think about it, mixing tofu and meat as protein sources does reduce the overconsumption of meat. My Japanese friend who came to visit recently was shocked by the large steaks and whole chickens that you could buy here. There they usually eat very small slivers of meat with other stuff. So, yeah, still probably helpful to the environment and probably healthier considering humans are not herbivores.

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Post by helboi4 »

jononomo wrote: post #212
hutzlibu wrote: post #129

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But do you actually interact with kids? If you would, you might find that there are differences, just like with old people.

Yes, I've interacted with the kids. They decorate their desks with Harry Potter paraphernalia and they boast about their eating disorders.

That's a wild generalisation and actually really shows how chronically out of touch you are because I can tell you as someone in my early 20s that Harry Potter is rapidly going out of mode because we care about the fact that JK Rowling is committing political suicide rn. Pro-ana was also a thing like 10 years ago. Hilarious how you managed to show how much you don't interact with young people just by making this comment

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Post by helboi4 »

Llamasponge wrote: post #12

In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream, you could argue that the far-right has become counterculture. The far-right is VERY prevalent on both Instagram, Twitter and other social media.

I mean, there were racist skinheads back in the day at the same time as leftist countercultures existed. One side of the political spectrum doesn't get a monopoly. Both of them are countercultures compared to the centre.

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Post by jehb »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #260
jehb wrote: post #197

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> I work seasonally and spend the other half of the year trying to disconnect and focus on real-life, outdoor hobbies. A bit off-topic, but I'm curious if you have any advice for finding seasonal jobs? It feels a bit ironic to be working in tech, making twice what I actually need to live off of, but with no real option to just work half as much.

Sorry, I don’t work in tech at all but a different profession, one where seasonal work is easily arranged. I’m on HN because I learned shell/Python/Emacs as part of installing Linux decades ago and so I enjoy a “news for nerds” site, and I ended up here just because there was little place else to go after the decline of Slashdot.

Thanks. I should have been clearer, I am okay leaving tech. :)
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