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Re: LazyVim

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Post by p-e-w »

dcow wrote: post #144
p-e-w wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

This is why I strictly adhere to vanilla Vim.

You mean the one with syntax highlighting disabled by default?

Re: LazyVim

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Post by mkmk3 »

Faceless1230 wrote: post #139
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I'd recommend trying a neovim distro like lunarvim out. It has black and all other typical ide features configured out of the box and doesn't mess with your normal neovim config.

I tried out spacevim, but then some feature was getting in my way and I couldn't figure out how to turn it off (I've forgotten what now).

I think thats a disadvantage to some of these heavily customized vim flavors. Plugins don't necessarily work out of the box, and when they do they promote their own way of interaction that sometimes needs to be learned.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by erfgh »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

One of the basic tenets of Vim is that it is not an IDE. It is a text editor.

By the way, if you need an IDE for Python then you're missing the point of Python.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by thenoblesunfish »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I was going to ask a similar question. This seems really cool, but since I already suffer with the complexity of vscode at work (but it's supported so is a net win), and I have my Vim setup that is small enough to (mostly) understand myself, why add a third thing which combines bad features of both? I'm responsible when it breaks, and it's complex.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by marricks »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #142
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, I don't think vim is meant to be an IDE. If you want an IDE, go get an IDE. If you want a text editor, vim works well. But vscode is unwieldy as a text editor, and vim is painful to contort into an IDE.

Exactly this. Don't blame the airplane for not being a car, or a submarine for being a beach buggy.

Obviously people have made things for VIM to be IDE like, some are cool to me, but completion-integrations-lang-servers always seemed so anti-vim to me. Make an HTTP request every key stroke to get suggestions? The. Latency.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by konart »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

>The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lu

Can't agree with this at all.

I don't think I've spent more than an hour in total setting up my vim config back in a day and maybe 1-2 hours in total when migrating to neovim (lua, packer etc) and then migrating to Lazy.

Yes, you have to spend some time building your own DE, but at least now you know what it can really do, all the hows and whys.

>Furthermore, the community does not have a good culture of documentation and learning

Most of the plugins have docs that can be accessed via (neo)vim itself. Usually you can find all information there.

>Setting up that plugin will require another plugin, and so on until you end up with a Jenga tower of dependencies...

Not true at all. Only a few plugins have strong dependecies and even then you rarely come across a plugin that will have more than one dep.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

p-e-w wrote: post #87
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

More that you want to carve a bowl out of wood. Vim is like a knife that with some modifications you can turn into a carving knife. VSCode is like a chainsaw that has attachments that have been made for it and it also has bowl carving attachment.

If you don't know your tools, then you can easily mess the knife modification and not end up with a carving knife. The chainsaw with ready made attachments is way easier to get going, but in return you have to carry the chainsaw with you and if there are any problems with the tool itself you probably aren't going to be able to fix or modify it yourself.

So it is more like trading initial speed with more precision, but also being able to do more after the initial learning curve.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

divbzero wrote: post #123
p-e-w wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

Was that expressly written to parody Vim? If so, this line is particularly spot on: > 'left' actually means right

Maybe I've just grown blind to this, but how is this relevant? Unless you mean that you can define that

Re: LazyVim

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Post by dcow »

p-e-w wrote: post #151
dcow wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I strictly adhere to vanilla Vim.

You mean the one with syntax highlighting disabled by default?

Yeah. I actually find that no highlighting in some ways helps you understand the language better. Because you have to parse it, not rely on the highlighting to do it for you. When I was learning Rust, I spent a year writing Rust in vanilla vim which is by some accounts insane. But I did it for the uh immersion. And I’m happy with the result.

I do use Zed for working on projects when on my home turf. It’s just that I’ve sworn off wasting time configuring Vim everywhere. That too is advantageous because you have to have a much more thorough knowledge of the vim tool instead of relying on plugins to make it work for you. And vim is everywhere.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by _7tgr »

p-e-w wrote: post #148
divbzero wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was that expressly written to parody Vim? If so, this line is particularly spot on: > 'left' actually means right

> Was that expressly written to parody Vim? Yes. The advice to turn the yoke upside down is supposed to reference remapping Caps Lock to Escape, without which Vim destroys your pinky on a standard keyboard. But it's the choice of professionals, so what can we do?

I'm playing into the joke here, but on most terminals, alt + will actually be sent to the program as + key. You can use this to avoid pressing escape in Neovim.
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