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Post by mrweasel »

toyg wrote: post #205
mrweasel wrote: post #161

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Usenet? The more I think about it, Reddit is just Usenet with better moderation and voting. The voting doesn't make that much sense in the smaller sub-reddits where you'd typically read all the posts anyway. So that basically just leaves you with building better moderation. Still a hard problem, but not impossible. If we had spent the time building better NNTP clients, rather than trying to integrate with the API of…

NNTP was a bit of a dumpster fire though. Each ISP carrying some groups, or none at all, losing messages left and right ... Those problems cannot be solved with a better client, they were fundamental issues. Now, if you had said "if we had spent the time building a better NNTP protocol and servers", I would have agreed. In the end, that's basically what the fediverse is.

The fediverse might be technically better, but it's a big mess. Is it PubSub, is it Mastodon, Lemmy, Podcasting 2.0? We're trying to put way to many project and ideas into "The Fediverse" to provide a clear trajectory.

I feel like it would have been easier to fix NNTP. It had at least a clear focus.

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Post by Hemospectrum »

dymk wrote: post #25
Hemospectrum wrote: post #19

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It's the credit card companies. Showing users nudity for free is fine. Making them pay for it means you're selling porn and the payment processors ban you. Reddit wants to make users pay for viewing content. They can't get away with that if the content is NSFW.

Reddits income is via ads, not cc payments This is the advertisers

This is about the API, which is no longer free. They are specifically blocking NSFW content from the paid API (and, by extension, from anything that uses it) so that they can charge money for it.

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Post by shortn »

philipov wrote: post #170
jalapenos wrote: post #134

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Exactly this. I used to browse Reddit everyday, using one of these third-party apps (the official app and website being close to unusable). When that app shut down, it just felt natural to leave Reddit behind. I opened an account on Twitter instead, having never used it before. The leadership of Reddit always seem to have been hated by the users, but I feel this might be the final straw that sends it the way of Digg…

Twitter is not the ship to be jumping to now, though. It's also on fire.

I'm just using it for sports news, and it's been great for that (i.e. "wojbombs" for breaking NBA trade news). It's also a great place to get fanarts (anime, gacha games, etc). I don't engage though, only passively use it.

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Post by jalapenos »

philipov wrote: post #170
jalapenos wrote: post #134

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Exactly this. I used to browse Reddit everyday, using one of these third-party apps (the official app and website being close to unusable). When that app shut down, it just felt natural to leave Reddit behind. I opened an account on Twitter instead, having never used it before. The leadership of Reddit always seem to have been hated by the users, but I feel this might be the final straw that sends it the way of Digg…

Twitter is not the ship to be jumping to now, though. It's also on fire.

Meh, I just use it to follow certain people who share good content.

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Post by cratermoon »

gizmo686 wrote: post #103
grishka wrote: post #58

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What do you mean by that? An API key usually is the secret. And everything needed to access the API must by definition be contained in the client app, so it's only a question of reverse engineering enough of it to extract these parameters.

I have no idea what cratermoon is intending to talk about, but the usual way to solve this problem is attestation. At a high level, the client device has the secret, but it is embedded in a secure enclave that makes it difficult to extract. You then build a chain of trust from that secret that attests that the binary being run is the official one. Android (at least with the standard Google services) seems to provide…

Why authenticate the device and not the user?

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Post by dymk »

Hemospectrum wrote: post #212
dymk wrote: post #25

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Reddits income is via ads, not cc payments This is the advertisers

This is about the API, which is no longer free. They are specifically blocking NSFW content from the paid API (and, by extension, from anything that uses it) so that they can charge money for it.

given the prices they were quoting for API usage, they’re not taking payment through a credit card

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Post by FrostKiwi »

p-e-w wrote: post #79
chongli wrote: post #40

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a winning instance That would defeat the purpose. Lemmy is a fediverse application. The whole point is decentralization. A winning instance would concentrate power in the hands of one admin. We don’t want that!

> Lemmy is a fediverse application. The whole point is decentralization. No, that's just a marketing lie. The biggest instances have politically-charged "codes of conduct" that other instances are forced to adopt or be defederated. IIRC, some instances even require those rules to be applied transitively, that is, they will defederate from your instance unless you enforce their rules on all instances that you federate…

But isn't that the ultimate expression of decentralization? A bunch of instances chose to adopt a code of conduct and you may choose not to do so. Instances may choose to interact with each other or not. No centralized "political" control.

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Post by Fatnino »

parineum wrote: post #207
philipov wrote: post #203

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Whether you believe it'll be fatal or a phoenix-like rebirth, you can't deny it's burning right now.

As a person that's never used Twitter, it's as on fire as it's always been, the people yelling about it just changed but none of them are leaving. It feels a whole lot like people who threaten to move to Canada every 4 years.

Canada's on fire too

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Post by gizmo686 »

cratermoon wrote: post #215
gizmo686 wrote: post #103

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I have no idea what cratermoon is intending to talk about, but the usual way to solve this problem is attestation. At a high level, the client device has the secret, but it is embedded in a secure enclave that makes it difficult to extract. You then build a chain of trust from that secret that attests that the binary being run is the official one. Android (at least with the standard Google services) seems to provide…

Why authenticate the device and not the user?

How does authenticating the user help? The whole point of the exercise is to block 3rd party apps. It is assumed that the user is authorized to access Reddit through the first party app, so authenticating the user doesn't solve the issue.

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

actualwitch wrote: post #133
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #74

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I thought this as well. I'm apparently a weirdo because I've just used the website for the past 14 years, on both desktop and mobile (though with an ad-blocker), but for all the folks that really love the alternative Android apps, why can't bring-your-own-key be an option? The fact that they're installing an alternative app kinda makes them super-users of Reddit anyway, so asking them to generate their own personal A…

> used the website Do you mean the old one? That's probably also getting scrapped in the near future, I'm guessing.

No, I literally use the new website. It's fine for me.
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