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Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by grishka »

maxloh wrote: post #118
charcircuit wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

Why doesn't youtube-dl break this law? Isn't it do similar operations to extract videos from websites?

They tried to shut down youtube-dl on copyright grounds because iirc the unit tests included URLs for some music videos and breaking their "DRM" constituted a DMCA violation or something like that. That was the only attempt I'm aware of.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by yreg »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #74
grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

I thought this as well. I'm apparently a weirdo because I've just used the website for the past 14 years, on both desktop and mobile (though with an ad-blocker), but for all the folks that really love the alternative Android apps, why can't bring-your-own-key be an option? The fact that they're installing an alternative app kinda makes them super-users of Reddit anyway, so asking them to generate their own personal A…

Christian (Apollo dev) said that he has asked reddit specifically about letting people use their own API keys in Apollo and reddit said that they wouldn't allow it.

It would lead to a cat and mouse game and Christian is not interested in that. Why should he bend over backwards to improve user experience of a platform that is working actively against him?

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by actualwitch »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #74
grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

I thought this as well. I'm apparently a weirdo because I've just used the website for the past 14 years, on both desktop and mobile (though with an ad-blocker), but for all the folks that really love the alternative Android apps, why can't bring-your-own-key be an option? The fact that they're installing an alternative app kinda makes them super-users of Reddit anyway, so asking them to generate their own personal A…

> used the website

Do you mean the old one? That's probably also getting scrapped in the near future, I'm guessing.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by jalapenos »

neurostimulant wrote: post #129
grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

Why waste energy building tools to support a company that actively hostile to their own users. Might as well spend the energy building for something else, e.g. to support fediverse, which in the last few weeks got a surge of new apps and tools made by developers abandoning reddit.

Exactly this. I used to browse Reddit everyday, using one of these third-party apps (the official app and website being close to unusable).

When that app shut down, it just felt natural to leave Reddit behind.

I opened an account on Twitter instead, having never used it before.

The leadership of Reddit always seem to have been hated by the users, but I feel this might be the final straw that sends it the way of Digg etc.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by dagurp »

mappu wrote: post #81
Shekelphile wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? The official reddit app uses a seperate, undocumented graphql based api rather than the public REST one they allow for public use. I suspect someone is/…

Stealth ( https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.cosmos.unreddit/ ) has an optional access mode that works by scraping old.reddit.com, that still works.

Why is not being able to log in a feature? Reddit is terrible when you can't block the mainstream subreddits.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by azubinski »

p-e-w wrote: post #79
chongli wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a winning instance That would defeat the purpose. Lemmy is a fediverse application. The whole point is decentralization. A winning instance would concentrate power in the hands of one admin. We don’t want that!

> Lemmy is a fediverse application. The whole point is decentralization. No, that's just a marketing lie. The biggest instances have politically-charged "codes of conduct" that other instances are forced to adopt or be defederated. IIRC, some instances even require those rules to be applied transitively, that is, they will defederate from your instance unless you enforce their rules on all instances that you federate…

Maybe yes, maybe no, it doesn't matter.

The business model matters. The answer to the question: how does the platform earn to maintain its work?

If there is an answer and it is explicit (no matter what it is and how much someone likes or dislikes the business model), it is much better than if there is no answer or it is implicit.

Because everything implicit and muddy can be the basis of anything, for example, of hidden but paid propaganda. The injection of ideas is not so annoying at the initial stage, a good nurse gives painless injections. But then the substance will certainly begin to act. A harmless substance may cause a desire for spontaneous purchase and is therefore generally safe. But harmful substances are different ...

Intrusive ads are the lesser of evils. If we think about it well, of course.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by romwell »

ParetoOptimal wrote: post #102
IAmGraydon wrote: post #69

"Lemmy is the New Reddit" Takes one look at Lemmy No, it isn't.

Try this, I find it much closer: https://wefwef.app/ I think the client makes all the difference.

If it doesn't look and work like https://old.reddit.com - it isn't reddit.

This includes the "new" (aka default) reddit website for me.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by holler »

LeFantome wrote: post #76
morserer wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not an expert, but I wonder if all the redditors who would be mad about it have already jumped ship and gone to federated alternatives, and all the redditors who are left are the ones who don't care and are watching the chaos with popcorn. If you're asking about the moderators, they were forced to either reopen or be un-modded. They did what they could.

What alternatives? I am here because I lost access to Reddit. Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work. Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy?

You're welcome on Sqwok (https://sqwok.im), it's chat based, in active dev

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by lapinot »

This is a particular teddit instance shutting down, not teddit the software project.

Stuff is moving a lot currently and there is a bumpy road ahead, but there are several courses of action already being mapped out (scraping html, r-e the private gql api, a setting for operators to put some auth token, ..).

https://github.com/libreddit/libreddit/issues/836

https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit/issues/400

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by rotzgoober »

nextaccountic wrote: post #117
glenstein wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? My experience consisted of visiting lemmy and signing up. Also, and separately, huh? You can share links on lemmy without logging in. Look, here's one: https://lemmy.ml/post/2069154 So, you can visit without being prompted to select a server. You can sign up without having to look through servers. And you can share links without logging in. So what am I missing?

> Huh? My experience consisted of visiting lemmy and signing up. You can't "visit lemmy". Which instance did you visit and signed up, lemmy.ml?

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