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Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

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Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

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I like the idea of exploring what it means to optimize a system for simplicity. But the “collapse” backstory seems silly and redundant, and dare I say it reminiscent of the kind of prepper that relishes the prospect of apocalypse, just so that all their prepping pays off.

Seeing civilizational collapse or decline as far fetched is a direct result of your privileged position in the world.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Light at night to work was a major achievement for humanity and there are still many lacking it reliably today. It would continue to be useful post collapse. Portable solar panels + lithium battery banks would be quite useful indeed.

They will last a few hundred cycles and then you're done. Anything that you rely on in a situation like that should be 100% maintenance free and should not rely on technology more complex than what you can make today in your garage with hand tools. Go over that level and it will just buy you a little bit of comfort but it won't last. Candles: yes. Solar panels+batteries+inverters: forget it. Even a basic charge contr…

We can get to working semiconductors in our garages relatively easily. They won't be anything like the integrated circuits we have today.

It would be an interesting hard sci-fi novel to see the village black smith replaced by the village semi-smith and wind mill replaced by the nuclear mill.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

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If civilization collapses and you live on your own, you will not have much data to store, organize, etc. Therefore a computer won't be that useful to you.

What will be a priority to you will be to survive, which essentially means how to get drinking water and nutrition, as well as territorial control and self defense.

A computer will be useful to you if you become a ruler that is responsible for the census, taxation, etc.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Light at night to work was a major achievement for humanity and there are still many lacking it reliably today. It would continue to be useful post collapse. Portable solar panels + lithium battery banks would be quite useful indeed.

Lithium batteries will be dead within a decade. Solar panels within 3. Think about that the next time you cheer on a huge solar installation as a win for the planet.

Schottky solar cells are pretty simple to couple with thermoelectrics.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Light at night to work was a major achievement for humanity and there are still many lacking it reliably today. It would continue to be useful post collapse. Portable solar panels + lithium battery banks would be quite useful indeed.

Lithium batteries will be dead within a decade. Solar panels within 3. Think about that the next time you cheer on a huge solar installation as a win for the planet.

Solar panels will work a lot longer than 3[edit: 0] years. I've got a batch here of 16 of them that are from the early 00's and that are still producing ~80% of their rated power. They're not even particularly good cells.

Lithium batteries will indeed likely not last for a decade but that has nothing to do with solar installations, though you could combine them (but you'd have a choice of chemistries and for stationary installations where weight and size are not usually the limiting factors you can do better than Lithium).

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