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Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by veave »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #169
veave wrote: post #160

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Okay, let me be more clear. I checked lemmy's rules and they link to mastodon's rules, so they even share the same set of rules. https://mastodon.world/about No hate speech (for example, no "derogatory posts" based on gender) -> politically charged. ///// No posts or comments supporting or promoting QAnon related content or similarly disproven conspiracy theories -> politically charged. If you want to look at it the…

Thanks, I appreciate the effort to clarify and to argue with concrete points. Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors. The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse. I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense. Also, question: Would you say free spe…

>Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors.

I was talking about the main lemmy instance, https://lemmy.world/ - if you look at the sidebar it says: "Be polite and follow the rules (https://mastodon.world/about)". That's what I linked to, above.

>The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse.

The main mastodon instance, mastodon.social, will defederate from you if your server has users that break those rules. I admit I haven't found any similar rules in mastodon.world, but I have to imagine it works the same (see below)

https://mastodon.social/about is the main mastodon instance of the fediverse -> click on "Moderated servers" to see the list of blocked servers and the reasons, like "disinformation" or "hate speech", which are politically charged. mastodon.world has chosen not to disclose their list of moderated servers, but given the list of rules, I predict a similar (or even the same) list. Mastodon servers of the main fediverse share a moderated servers blacklist through some mechanism that I don't know much about.

But.. this discussion was not originally about the server blacklist but about whether the set of rules had a political slant or not.

>I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense.

I imagine that someone who doesn't want to admit that those rules are politically charged will claim they are common sense - at least that's the way the argument has been presented to me in the past.

>Would you say free speech absolutism is politically charged?

Allowing everybody to express their political opinions without censorship is the opposite of a politically charged moderation.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by AlecSchueler »

veave wrote: post #171
AlecSchueler wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, I appreciate the effort to clarify and to argue with concrete points. Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors. The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse. I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense. Also, question: Would you say free spe…

>Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors. I was talking about the main lemmy instance, https://lemmy.world/ - if you look at the sidebar it says: "Be polite and follow the rules ( https://mastodon.world/about )". That's what I linked to, above. >The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem t…

Thanks for the links.

> Allowing everybody to express their political opinions without censorship is the opposite of a politically charged moderation.

And that's just common sense!

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by jacooper »

syntaxing wrote: post #5

Kind of sad. I used to use libreddit or teddit for my reddit fix but they’re all broken now. Maybe it’s for the better so I can stop using reddit completely. With LLMs, it replaced most of my google and reddit needs anyways.

You can self host it, as the issue is mainly rate limits, they still work but get limited quickly on a public instance.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by mst »

dagurp wrote: post #135
mappu wrote: post #81

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Stealth ( https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.cosmos.unreddit/ ) has an optional access mode that works by scraping old.reddit.com, that still works.

Why is not being able to log in a feature? Reddit is terrible when you can't block the mainstream subreddits.

I may be an outlier but I never bother with the reddit front page - I go direct to specific subreddits and read them one at a time.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by jacooper »

NovaDudely wrote: post #147
xwdv wrote: post #3

I’m curious, are there any apps that are paying these new fees?

Red Reader got an exception (for now) because it was open source. They don't need to pay for access. It is very bare bones but works. https://f-droid.org/packages/org.quantumbadger.redreader/

Infinity still works for some reason too, it's also open source.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by rakoo »

sleight42 wrote: post #120
ParetoOptimal wrote: post #96

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> Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy? https://wefwef.app > Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work. Not sure what you mean.

Probably means [this]( https://tenforward.social/@elight/110708424512879073 ) and [this]( https://tenforward.social/@elight/110696839817687860 ).

There's a bit of conflating terms but the underlying point makes sense: topics shouldn't be linked with an instance, they should reach across different servers. This is what groups are for, and are being actively worked on.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by rakoo »

mvdtnz wrote: post #104
morserer wrote: post #65

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Not an expert, but I wonder if all the redditors who would be mad about it have already jumped ship and gone to federated alternatives, and all the redditors who are left are the ones who don't care and are watching the chaos with popcorn. If you're asking about the moderators, they were forced to either reopen or be un-modded. They did what they could.

No one (within the margin of error) has gone to "federated alternatives". No one cares about "federated" or "decentralised" or any of this nonesense.

Your broad statement is ridiculous. I am not friends with 3 billions of people, but many people I care about are on the fediverse; everyone (within the margin of error) is on the fediverse. No one (within the margin of error) cares about a tech forum hosted by a VC (from https://whaly.io/posts/hacker-news-2021-retrospective). And yet here we are.

Please don't use only your tech and stats goggles to analyze the situation, understand that we are talking about people with a vast range of experiences and wants and needs.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by rakoo »

jmrm wrote: post #148
safety1st wrote: post #29

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What do we need a "winning" instance for? In a federated world what does that even mean? What is this (online? HN?) cultural obsession with winner-take-all? The whole point of federation is that you don't need winner-take-all which is in fact unhealthy. If you have a community on Reddit which you want to migrate you just need to find a stable instance with admin policies you consider reasonable. If it's a big communi…

If I need an account on four Lemmy services to don't missing out all the available content of a "sub", then it can't substitute Reddit.

You need only one account, anywhere, and then you can subscribe to any discussion on any instance.

If you want to understand what the fediverse is about, here's a nice link: https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_the_Fediverse%3F

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by rakoo »

justaj wrote: post #143
safety1st wrote: post #29

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What do we need a "winning" instance for? In a federated world what does that even mean? What is this (online? HN?) cultural obsession with winner-take-all? The whole point of federation is that you don't need winner-take-all which is in fact unhealthy. If you have a community on Reddit which you want to migrate you just need to find a stable instance with admin policies you consider reasonable. If it's a big communi…

Example: Right now you have a bunch of /r/linux lemmy subreddits with their own posts and threads that are independent of each other. You can make a thread on /r/linux on the lemmy.example.com instance and will not appear at /r/linux on lemmy.example.net This kind of fragmentation is pretty bad in terms of UX.

If I want to read information about linux I need to follow HN, lobste.rs, LWN, and maybe other sites. All of them independent. All of them with different conversations. All of them with different accounts, meaning that many identities.

The fediverse is not like that: with a single account you can subscribe to all discussions, participate anywhere. Fragmentation is only when you don't participate: once in, all discussions appear on your instance, everything is reachable.

> You can make a thread on /r/linux on the lemmy.example.com instance and will not appear at /r/linux on lemmy.example.net

That's not how this works. You control what appears, not the instance.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by rakoo »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #155
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #75

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> That kind of first experience will never replace Reddit. Good. Let the eternal September remain on Reddit. The rest of us can go back to the roots of what keeps online communities from becoming cesspools like Reddit and Twitter.

And how will we do that? Where will we go?

To the fediverse, open to anyone willing to think about what it means to be part of a community and not simply a consumer.
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