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Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by mrweasel »

LeFantome wrote: post #76
morserer wrote: post #65

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Not an expert, but I wonder if all the redditors who would be mad about it have already jumped ship and gone to federated alternatives, and all the redditors who are left are the ones who don't care and are watching the chaos with popcorn. If you're asking about the moderators, they were forced to either reopen or be un-modded. They did what they could.

What alternatives? I am here because I lost access to Reddit. Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work. Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy?

Usenet? The more I think about it, Reddit is just Usenet with better moderation and voting. The voting doesn't make that much sense in the smaller sub-reddits where you'd typically read all the posts anyway. So that basically just leaves you with building better moderation. Still a hard problem, but not impossible.

If we had spent the time building better NNTP clients, rather than trying to integrate with the API of single company, I think we could have had the possibility at least of having true communities.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by mcpeepants »

ParetoOptimal wrote: post #98
oezi wrote: post #59

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Lemmy needs a better experience for first time users. For instance, one should be forwarded to the front page of a random instance and see r/all type content (and given the ability to sign up).

As I posted elsewhere https://wefwef.app does this sort of.

Just a note, this app has been renamed Voyager https://vger.app/

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by stavros »

greyface- wrote: post #45
grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

There didn't use to be any rules to play by. Official "front door" APIs are a modern phenomenon. They started being offered, and rugpulls were rare, so we got complacent and started using them rather than reverse engineering first-party APIs.

We didn't "get complacent", APIs are just a better experience. You get documentation, guarantees of stability, advance warning for changes, a changelog, etc.

Even factoring in the risk of a rug pull, it makes more sense to use an API than spend ongoing constant effort reversing a first-party one that will keep breaking on your users randomly and need urgent fixes all the time.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by stavros »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #74
grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

I thought this as well. I'm apparently a weirdo because I've just used the website for the past 14 years, on both desktop and mobile (though with an ad-blocker), but for all the folks that really love the alternative Android apps, why can't bring-your-own-key be an option? The fact that they're installing an alternative app kinda makes them super-users of Reddit anyway, so asking them to generate their own personal A…

Because the reality is that reddit doesn't want third-party apps, and wouldn't allow it. Why do you think this is a technical issue? Reddit doesn't want the apps, period.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by nerdbert »

dryanau wrote: post #51
glenstein wrote: post #17

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Huh? My experience consisted of visiting lemmy and signing up. Also, and separately, huh? You can share links on lemmy without logging in. Look, here's one: https://lemmy.ml/post/2069154 So, you can visit without being prompted to select a server. You can sign up without having to look through servers. And you can share links without logging in. So what am I missing?

So I clicked "sign up" and it suggested checking if there might be another instance best suited to my needs, so I followed the proposed link to https://join-lemmy.org/ and got the "join a server"/"run a server" option. After clicking "join a server" and scrolling the list of half added descriptions I just left because it felt like I was supposed to be making a choice about the community I want to join before even che…

Exactly my experience and why I haven't signed up for Lemmy. I don't know what the hell any of those communities are and why/how I should pick one particular one as my home base or whatever, and not getting involved at all seemed like the easiest way forward.

I get the sense that there are a lot of competing visions for what Lemmy should be, and I am not interested enough to put myself in the middle of that.

There's probably an opportunity to start a modified instance that avoids all this identity stuff and hides the federation aspect as much as possible to make it look like a seamless unified community. That's something I, and I presume many others who were turned off by their first experience with it, might well join.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by nerdbert »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #47
zzleeper wrote: post #37

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Are you sure? I've used Reddit for 15 years and it's the first time I don't really have a good way of using it, besides the desktop (on old.reddit). On mobile (where I used to spend reddit most time) their own app is so crap I don't even have it installed, so I have no easy way to browse. On Chrome I'm not even logged-in, so I only use it whenever a google search leads me there, but I don't post or do anything meanin…

I’ve only used their app? Why is it so “crap” in your opinion?

It's so infuriating to use. Impossible to get the context of a comment when you have clicked to it from a notification. The "back" button follows a completely useless, near-random stack of things you have done in the past. And the main navigation is hidden most of the time so you have to hit "back" an arbitrary number of times to even get to the point where you can start doing something. It was designed by a tree stump.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by nerdbert »

kumarvvr wrote: post #33

Reddit has allowed the third-party app system go too far and now they are struggling to contain it. I remember when Twitter did the same thing, but they realized it early and did it when there were not too many apps that users were used to. I feel Reddit will come out fine from this. A minor hiccup. Mods will be replaced, apps will be forgotten and users will talk about this whole thing in some AskReddit thread. The…

"go too far" in what sense?

The posting bots ("The words in your comment are in alphabetical order! I have read 4534654573657 comments and yours is only the 425834061th one in alphabetical order! Isn't that interesting?") are annoying as a wedgie on a hot summer's day but they seem to be the only thing that's still around.

Things that actually improved the Reddit experience, like third party mobile apps, are gone. And so therefore are many users.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by AlecSchueler »

veave wrote: post #160
AlecSchueler wrote: post #159

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That wasn't what I asked. Do you see that you're also equating your personal opinion on the matter with the reality of how politically charged or not something is? You disagree with it so it's politically charged. You're not even offering a definition of politically charged, just the scare words. Beyond that, you're not even looking at the relevant document, but making a statement based purely on what you "imagine" i…

Okay, let me be more clear. I checked lemmy's rules and they link to mastodon's rules, so they even share the same set of rules. https://mastodon.world/about No hate speech (for example, no "derogatory posts" based on gender) -> politically charged. ///// No posts or comments supporting or promoting QAnon related content or similarly disproven conspiracy theories -> politically charged. If you want to look at it the…

Thanks, I appreciate the effort to clarify and to argue with concrete points.

Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors.

The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse. I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense.

Also, question: Would you say free speech absolutism is politically charged?

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by philipov »

jalapenos wrote: post #134
neurostimulant wrote: post #129

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Why waste energy building tools to support a company that actively hostile to their own users. Might as well spend the energy building for something else, e.g. to support fediverse, which in the last few weeks got a surge of new apps and tools made by developers abandoning reddit.

Exactly this. I used to browse Reddit everyday, using one of these third-party apps (the official app and website being close to unusable). When that app shut down, it just felt natural to leave Reddit behind. I opened an account on Twitter instead, having never used it before. The leadership of Reddit always seem to have been hated by the users, but I feel this might be the final straw that sends it the way of Digg…

Twitter is not the ship to be jumping to now, though. It's also on fire.
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