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Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by dryanau »

glenstein wrote: post #17
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #15

> Lemmy is the New Reddit I hope so, but we need a winning instance first. When you search for Lemmy right now you're sent to a page that begins with "Join a Server... Run a Server". That kind of first experience will never replace Reddit. Lemmy.world seemed to be winning the SEO battles in my Google search. Is that a good one? Edit: Sorry for changing my entire post; I had incomplete information about Lemmy at the t…

Huh? My experience consisted of visiting lemmy and signing up. Also, and separately, huh? You can share links on lemmy without logging in. Look, here's one: https://lemmy.ml/post/2069154 So, you can visit without being prompted to select a server. You can sign up without having to look through servers. And you can share links without logging in. So what am I missing?

So I clicked "sign up" and it suggested checking if there might be another instance best suited to my needs, so I followed the proposed link to https://join-lemmy.org/ and got the "join a server"/"run a server" option. After clicking "join a server" and scrolling the list of half added descriptions I just left because it felt like I was supposed to be making a choice about the community I want to join before even checking the damn thing out. Reddit is the opposite, just sign up and explore the subreddits and pick the ones you like. If Lemmy is anything like that, it's not clear at all and my experience turned me away in the exact way the previous poster described. It felt like I had to pick the subreddit first with no idea what was inside. It sucks. It sucks bad and it won't win in its current state.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by gochi »

grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

Most apps back then weren't staffed by hundreds/thousands of people with a giant legal team to enforce trademarks either.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

#53

Post by grishka »

charcircuit wrote: post #32
grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

>What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

That's in the US though. It's known that the US government does its best to protect the interests of corporations. There are other countries, in some of which reverse engineering something for the purpose of interoperability is explicitly allowed.

edit: looking at the list of cases, and knowing that the US legal system relies on precedents, it feels like using an online service's private API is allowed under this act.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by Terr_ »

safety1st wrote: post #29
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #15

> Lemmy is the New Reddit I hope so, but we need a winning instance first. When you search for Lemmy right now you're sent to a page that begins with "Join a Server... Run a Server". That kind of first experience will never replace Reddit. Lemmy.world seemed to be winning the SEO battles in my Google search. Is that a good one? Edit: Sorry for changing my entire post; I had incomplete information about Lemmy at the t…

What do we need a "winning" instance for? In a federated world what does that even mean? What is this (online? HN?) cultural obsession with winner-take-all? The whole point of federation is that you don't need winner-take-all which is in fact unhealthy. If you have a community on Reddit which you want to migrate you just need to find a stable instance with admin policies you consider reasonable. If it's a big communi…

To me, the crux of it is that identities are not portable. AFAIK, I can't take my identity and posts and move them a different instance if the one I chose happens to become evil or bankrupt.

Sure, I could start my own instance, but that's a high bar.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by dryanau »

chongli wrote: post #40
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #15

> Lemmy is the New Reddit I hope so, but we need a winning instance first. When you search for Lemmy right now you're sent to a page that begins with "Join a Server... Run a Server". That kind of first experience will never replace Reddit. Lemmy.world seemed to be winning the SEO battles in my Google search. Is that a good one? Edit: Sorry for changing my entire post; I had incomplete information about Lemmy at the t…

a winning instance That would defeat the purpose. Lemmy is a fediverse application. The whole point is decentralization. A winning instance would concentrate power in the hands of one admin. We don’t want that!

The general public does not care at all about that. It's the experience alone that matters. Lemmy is confusing and weird to the majority who look into it.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

#56

Post by kumarvvr »

zzleeper wrote: post #37
kumarvvr wrote: post #33

Reddit has allowed the third-party app system go too far and now they are struggling to contain it. I remember when Twitter did the same thing, but they realized it early and did it when there were not too many apps that users were used to. I feel Reddit will come out fine from this. A minor hiccup. Mods will be replaced, apps will be forgotten and users will talk about this whole thing in some AskReddit thread. The…

Are you sure? I've used Reddit for 15 years and it's the first time I don't really have a good way of using it, besides the desktop (on old.reddit). On mobile (where I used to spend reddit most time) their own app is so crap I don't even have it installed, so I have no easy way to browse. On Chrome I'm not even logged-in, so I only use it whenever a google search leads me there, but I don't post or do anything meanin…

You are on HN, and you are not the average reddit user.

I use old.reddit, and I am also not the average user.

Most of them use the newer UI.

Most of them are not even aware of what an API means.

Most of them don't care.

I have been observing the site for sometime now, and except for pics and a few others, I did not find any much difference between before and now.

Also, most users use the official reddit app.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

#57

Post by rlex »

charcircuit wrote: post #35
flangola7 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do processors care? Why does it matter if the domain is pornhub.com or reddit.com?

Most notably higher chargeback rates

..which leads to fines from visa/mc/etc, and putting you to "watchlist". And those fines are pretty expensive. Very few companies in CC processing market would like to risk their business for some adult processing. Easier and safer to just drop it completely.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

#58

Post by grishka »

cratermoon wrote: post #48
grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

> What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? The fact that without the associated secret, an API key is useless.

What do you mean by that? An API key usually is the secret. And everything needed to access the API must by definition be contained in the client app, so it's only a question of reverse engineering enough of it to extract these parameters.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

#59

Post by oezi »

safety1st wrote: post #29
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #15

> Lemmy is the New Reddit I hope so, but we need a winning instance first. When you search for Lemmy right now you're sent to a page that begins with "Join a Server... Run a Server". That kind of first experience will never replace Reddit. Lemmy.world seemed to be winning the SEO battles in my Google search. Is that a good one? Edit: Sorry for changing my entire post; I had incomplete information about Lemmy at the t…

What do we need a "winning" instance for? In a federated world what does that even mean? What is this (online? HN?) cultural obsession with winner-take-all? The whole point of federation is that you don't need winner-take-all which is in fact unhealthy. If you have a community on Reddit which you want to migrate you just need to find a stable instance with admin policies you consider reasonable. If it's a big communi…

Lemmy needs a better experience for first time users. For instance, one should be forwarded to the front page of a random instance and see r/all type content (and given the ability to sign up).

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by KingLancelot »

grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

Reddit simply isn’t worth it.

All the interesting content and communities are gone, it’s just facebook news edution now.

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