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Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by KingLancelot »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #47
zzleeper wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? I've used Reddit for 15 years and it's the first time I don't really have a good way of using it, besides the desktop (on old.reddit). On mobile (where I used to spend reddit most time) their own app is so crap I don't even have it installed, so I have no easy way to browse. On Chrome I'm not even logged-in, so I only use it whenever a google search leads me there, but I don't post or do anything meanin…

I’ve only used their app? Why is it so “crap” in your opinion?

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Post by Seattle3503 »

grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

You would have to give up oauth no? If you do, your users need to trust you with their username and password. Maybe most wouldn't care.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by pyeri »

grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

>> It wasn't always like this. 15 years ago, when ICQ was huge, everything with a screen, keyboard, a network interface, and a way to run arbitrary code had an unofficial ICQ client for it. Most people haven't ever seen the official clients. That's just one example. What happened?

Crony capitalism and big tech monopoly is what happened. These companies achieved success by doing innovations once but today they no longer want to work the hard route of innovating things. Instead, they're using the "legal" and convoluted route that involves closing the source code or build processes of everything, acquiring the small competitor who tries innovation and shut it down, encouraging walled gardens and non-standard APIs everywhere, etc.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by yakabuff »

grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

from my own personal experience, reddit's legal team sends you a threatening email demanding that you take down your site stating that you have violated some tos/agreement

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by morserer »

grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

Not an expert, but I wonder if all the redditors who would be mad about it have already jumped ship and gone to federated alternatives, and all the redditors who are left are the ones who don't care and are watching the chaos with popcorn.

If you're asking about the moderators, they were forced to either reopen or be un-modded. They did what they could.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by grishka »

gochi wrote: post #52
grishka wrote: post #30

Seeing all Reddit apps shut down, I can't help but wonder — what is it that made everyone play by the rules? What happened to the adversarial interoperability spirit? What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online servi…

Most apps back then weren't staffed by hundreds/thousands of people with a giant legal team to enforce trademarks either.

Yes but there's definitely some kind of "fair use" allowed for trademarks. My own observations show that it's fine for a product to claim it's "for" or "compatible with" someone else's trademarked product. One example is third-party coffee capsules "for Nespresso machines", usually accompanied by "not affiliated with Nespresso". I'm sure Nespresso has an army of lawyers but these things continue to be sold all around the world so it must be legal to do this.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by costco »

grishka wrote: post #53
charcircuit wrote: post #32

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>What forces people to use their own API keys instead of pretending to be one of the official apps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

That's in the US though. It's known that the US government does its best to protect the interests of corporations. There are other countries, in some of which reverse engineering something for the purpose of interoperability is explicitly allowed. edit: looking at the list of cases, and knowing that the US legal system relies on precedents, it feels like using an online service's private API is allowed under this act…

Yes, as far as I can tell terms of service violations resulting from things like scraping/using unofficial APIs are not CFAA violations and certainly not criminal unless you are not supposed to have access to the data in the first place. The company may still sue in civil court but it has to be on other grounds. Which is why hiQ "lost" to LinkedIn and settled even though they won on the CFAA issue. And why Plaid is still in business.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by OO000oo »

dryanau wrote: post #51
glenstein wrote: post #17

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Huh? My experience consisted of visiting lemmy and signing up. Also, and separately, huh? You can share links on lemmy without logging in. Look, here's one: https://lemmy.ml/post/2069154 So, you can visit without being prompted to select a server. You can sign up without having to look through servers. And you can share links without logging in. So what am I missing?

So I clicked "sign up" and it suggested checking if there might be another instance best suited to my needs, so I followed the proposed link to https://join-lemmy.org/ and got the "join a server"/"run a server" option. After clicking "join a server" and scrolling the list of half added descriptions I just left because it felt like I was supposed to be making a choice about the community I want to join before even che…

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Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

chongli wrote: post #40
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #15

> Lemmy is the New Reddit I hope so, but we need a winning instance first. When you search for Lemmy right now you're sent to a page that begins with "Join a Server... Run a Server". That kind of first experience will never replace Reddit. Lemmy.world seemed to be winning the SEO battles in my Google search. Is that a good one? Edit: Sorry for changing my entire post; I had incomplete information about Lemmy at the t…

a winning instance That would defeat the purpose. Lemmy is a fediverse application. The whole point is decentralization. A winning instance would concentrate power in the hands of one admin. We don’t want that!

I don't think it would defeat the purpose at all. Even if you have a winner, decentralization ensures there will always be a quick, nearly-equivalent alternative waiting in the wings. And as my sibling poster stated, a winning instance (or a handful of them) is/are necessary for public buy-in.
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