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Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by jdlshore »

Timon3 wrote: post #76
capableweb wrote: post #55

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There is a precedent ( https://blog.unicode.org/2022/03/the-past-and-future-of-flag... ) to stop accepting new emojis in certain categories, so the hope is not fully out that that can happen to other sections. Maybe at one point they say "We won't be accepting Emoji proposals regarding sports anymore, unless they're listed by X entity or in the Plympics", or something like that.

But even that precedent isn't absolute: > Wait, if a country gains independence and is recognised by ISO, does that mean no flag emoji for them? > Flags for countries with Unicode region codes are automatically recommended, with no proposals necessary! First their codes and translated names are added to Unicode’s Common Locale Data Repository [CLDR], and then the emoji become valid in the next version of Unicode. The…

Flags are special because they’re made by combining special letter codepoints. A new flag doesn’t change the standard so much as change the way devices display those ligature-like codepoints.

(My favorite fun Unicode fact: naively reversing a string containing the flag for Spain will turn it into the flag for Sweden. ES —> SE)

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by dmvdoug »

mostlylurks wrote: post #157
inhumantsar wrote: post #133

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I genuinely hope that emojis keep being added. A lot of meaning can be packed into a single emoji which (usually) transcends language and culture. It's been fascinating to see emoji work their way into everyday usage, even in professional settings. I would love to see the day where emoji becomes a viable form of cross-cultural shorthand.

> I would love to see the day where emoji becomes a viable form of cross-cultural shorthand. I have my doubts regarding this. We're already seeing a situation where different groups within a single culture, the young and the old, use many common emoji in ways that differ dramatically (at least in the west), sometimes even with opposing meanings. If the meanings of emoji aren't stable even within a single culture, how…

Oh god this. I get emails from students with emoji and I very frequently have to ask them, “How are you using this one?”

Of course, the fascinating thing is that different groups of kids use the same emoji slightly differently. So.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by dagmx »

boondoggle16 wrote: post #152
lapcat wrote: post #98

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This is less consistent than images, which are generally rendered the same on all devices. Worse, though, is the broken black boxes that appear when someone uses a newer emoji that your browser or operating system version doesn't yet support, which happens all of the time.

Not sure why you're being so argumentative about a misunderstanding of definitions? Users know what emoji are, full stop, and you don't have to serve images (which can be expensive). Is it perfect? No, but nothing is.

They seem to have a real hate for emojis based on the rest of the comments they’re leaving on this post.

I think they’re just approaching every argument from that perspective so any positive is treated cynically

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by dagmx »

lapcat wrote: post #71
dagmx wrote: post #61

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Emoji are zero cost resources for websites on most devices and have the benefit of matching the users expectations of iconography across the system, not to mention being accessible by default. It’s really a win win of size reduction, consistency and accessibility. The only competitive systems are something like font-awesome icons or SFSymbols. The latter isn’t available to sites afaik though.

> consistency There's no consistency, because different operating systems and web browsers display emoji differently, and emoji availability depends crucially on the OS or browser version.

The emoji is consistent across their system. That’s the consistency that matters to most users.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by dmvdoug »

roland35 wrote: post #123
DeusExMachina wrote: post #38

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Welcome to the world where every idiosyncrasy is considered an identity worth representing, through emojis or other means, generating a never-ending breakdown of people into groups that feel excluded.

Or, ya know, sometimes it's just fun to add a lime emoji to a text...

But how do we put de lime in de coconut?!

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by Symbiote »

matsemann wrote: post #9
dexwell wrote: post #5

I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, or will continue adding more until every word in the dictionary is an emoji. There have been some ridiculous inclusions in the past years despite more obvious candidates that are still missing. The great thing about emoji used to be the constraints, which made for a clear overview of available emoji and made people use the limited set in creative w…

> There have been some ridiculous inclusions in the past years despite more obvious candidates that are still missing. Well, obvious missing to you . That's probably why it will always expand, no one will agree on when it's done, including you. ;)

I'll suggest genitals and breasts as the most obvious missing emojis. Most other major body parts are included.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by jononomo »

kemayo wrote: post #66
jononomo wrote: post #64

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Why do you think a yellow emoji represents a white skin color?

Have you watched the Simpsons? There's some powerful cultural baggage here. Anyway, it certainly implies not-dark skin...

You may as well say it implies not-white skin as well. The only thing it implies in regard to skin color is bright yellow.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by lapcat »

dagmx wrote: post #164
lapcat wrote: post #71

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> consistency There's no consistency, because different operating systems and web browsers display emoji differently, and emoji availability depends crucially on the OS or browser version.

The emoji is consistent across their system. That’s the consistency that matters to most users.

Incorrect, because emoji are being used to communicate with other people on different systems. That's their primary purpose, not to write to yourself.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by graypegg »

numpad0 wrote: post #150
graypegg wrote: post #75

I feel for the artists whose job it is to draw and organize nearly 4000 little vector images, most of which will barely ever be used to communicate anything. I'm going to imagine that it's functionally impossible to make a font with full emoji support now unless you're a massive corporation. (Not that it's an issue really, but there's only so far you can push the list of required code points right? You can leave off…

Actually, once you're going to support CJKV languages, and especially more than one of those at the same time, the idea of single font for single document just goes out of window. It already is out of window, just you don't notice it unless you have CJKV users or literacy. The way it has to work is part of sentences must be rendered in an English font , requires own appropriate font inline and part requires another a…

That's true! I know that, it's the reason why every OS has its own well known style of emoji. The fonts people use day-to-day don't cover the emoji characters so it falls back to whatever massive default font is installed.

Just thinking that wall is getting higher every time they add new emoji or new ZWJ sequences that exponentially grow the number of glyphs. Even the base emoji set (should you want to make your own emoji-only font) is bigger than many single-character set fonts. (But not all, clearly)

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