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Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by xdennis »

kemayo wrote: post #65
vasco wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skin color emojis are the weirdest thing. I always find it slightly odd if someone changed them from the default yellow. Why would one care?

Speaking as a person with light-colored skin, the default-yellow emoji still basically look like me. Or, a version of me that's on the Simpsons, at least. I imagine that if I had dark skin, I'd feel a bit alienated by this experience. I'd be using these symbols that were supposed to represent me / my-reactions, but which very much didn't look like me. There'd be this pervasive sense that I was not included, not impor…

> I imagine that if I had dark skin, I'd feel a bit alienated by this experience.

And the change is literally skin deep. They added skin color, but not racial features. The "black man" emoji just looks like a white guy with dark skin.

Imagine if I was a dwarf. I'd feel a bit alienated that all emojis are of tall people. Shouldn't there be a dwarf modifier for every emoji: dwarf man facepalming, dwarf woman shrugging, dwarf man bride, &c

If you felt yellow is too white, they should have changed emojis to magenta or something. Adding variants makes them unusable.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by nebalee »

graypegg wrote: post #75

I feel for the artists whose job it is to draw and organize nearly 4000 little vector images, most of which will barely ever be used to communicate anything. I'm going to imagine that it's functionally impossible to make a font with full emoji support now unless you're a massive corporation. (Not that it's an issue really, but there's only so far you can push the list of required code points right? You can leave off…

I feel this would be something where AI generated could be useful. Is there a midjourney for emojis?

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by xdennis »

kortex wrote: post #85
eloisius wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s unlike language because words can fluidly be invented or fall out of use. Emoji is designed by a committee. If it expands to include everything it will just be unusable. Why not just use pictures at that point anyway?

Oh yeah, languages are never controlled by committee https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_Fran%C3%A7aise

That's not comparable. The French Academy doesn't dictate what words are allowed to be spelt on phones.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by throw37284 »

inhumantsar wrote: post #133
dexwell wrote: post #5

I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, or will continue adding more until every word in the dictionary is an emoji. There have been some ridiculous inclusions in the past years despite more obvious candidates that are still missing. The great thing about emoji used to be the constraints, which made for a clear overview of available emoji and made people use the limited set in creative w…

I genuinely hope that emojis keep being added. A lot of meaning can be packed into a single emoji which (usually) transcends language and culture. It's been fascinating to see emoji work their way into everyday usage, even in professional settings. I would love to see the day where emoji becomes a viable form of cross-cultural shorthand.

Reminds me of the Chinese written language.

People who speak different dialects or languages can still communicate with written Chinese.

I remember at a conference talking to a Japanese guy and a guy from Korea. I wrote my name in Chinese and they could both read it, but said it in their native language.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by tekla »

pxc wrote: post #118
luuurker wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's not forbidden in many other religions and emojis are for everyone. I don't really care if there's a "God emoji" or not and wish good luck to those who'd have to picture God in an emoji, but this freedom and respect thing goes both ways. A group is free not to like or use this emoji, but they don't get to stop others from liking or using it.

Plus Unicode already includes a ton of emoji that Islamic fundamentalists doubtless consider unacceptable. Liberal Muslims can presumably put up with other people using a God emoji just like they can put up with other people using a devil emoji.

Wait doesn't that mean that unicode is un-inclusive?

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by numpad0 »

dexwell wrote: post #5

I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, or will continue adding more until every word in the dictionary is an emoji. There have been some ridiculous inclusions in the past years despite more obvious candidates that are still missing. The great thing about emoji used to be the constraints, which made for a clear overview of available emoji and made people use the limited set in creative w…

Whilist problems from Unicode comingling CJK(more like CCJ?) characters are getting worse. Yeah, it's a great situation.

1: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdxZ5koVsAAQj-n.png:medium

2: https://jyurin-hack.com/it/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/nihong...

3: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/chines...

4: https://www.codeproject.com/Tips/1227524/Fixing-Inconsistent...

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by derefr »

dexwell wrote: post #5

I wonder if they're ever going to decide that enough emoji is enough, or will continue adding more until every word in the dictionary is an emoji. There have been some ridiculous inclusions in the past years despite more obvious candidates that are still missing. The great thing about emoji used to be the constraints, which made for a clear overview of available emoji and made people use the limited set in creative w…

Mobile-phone OS vendors like Apple and Google invent cute little pictures for people to send to each-other in text messages (and, mostly coincidentally, type into other apps and post to the web.) Then they tell the Unicode Consortium that they've invented these little pictures, and they're planning on putting them in their software, and so the Unicode Consortium better assign them codepoints, because if they don't, they'll just encode those pictures with a proprietary encoding and send them anyway, like ICQ and MSN did back in 2001.

And then the Unicode Consortium does give them a codepoint — because the whole point of Unicode is that there shouldn't be any text on the Internet that can't have its meaning determined 50 years from now because it was encoded in some proprietary now-lost encoding.

This is how it was from the very beginning. The first emoji codepoints in Unicode were added in order to have a valid projection-mapping into Unicode of the "SJIS with emojis" text written on Japanese mobile phones that became common on the Japanese Internet — including documents like "cellphone novels" with high historical preservation value.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by mostlylurks »

kortex wrote: post #85
eloisius wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s unlike language because words can fluidly be invented or fall out of use. Emoji is designed by a committee. If it expands to include everything it will just be unusable. Why not just use pictures at that point anyway?

Oh yeah, languages are never controlled by committee https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_Fran%C3%A7aise

The existence of a committee, even an influential one, for a language does not mean that that committee actually controls that language. In the end, it's always the people who use a language that control it, not just in theory, but also in practice, as evidenced by how many of the Académie Française's proposals for pure French equivalents to English loanwords have failed to supplant the latter. These committees also tend to only concern themselves with low hanging fruit that is easy to point at, such as vocabulary, grammar, and spelling (which is technically speaking external to a language rather than part of it), while barely if at all targeting anything that would require more than an elementary-school-level understanding of language, such as phonetics/phonology, so their commentary also rarely even covers all aspects of the language.

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by gkoberger »

graypegg wrote: post #75

I feel for the artists whose job it is to draw and organize nearly 4000 little vector images, most of which will barely ever be used to communicate anything. I'm going to imagine that it's functionally impossible to make a font with full emoji support now unless you're a massive corporation. (Not that it's an issue really, but there's only so far you can push the list of required code points right? You can leave off…

On the contrary, I think it must be really cool to design something that millions of people will see and use to express emotions. Even the lesser-used emojis still likely get millions of uses.

On Twitter alone, the lowest used emojis still get a ton of use: https://emojitracker.com/

Re: New emojis in 2023-2024

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Post by numpad0 »

graypegg wrote: post #75

I feel for the artists whose job it is to draw and organize nearly 4000 little vector images, most of which will barely ever be used to communicate anything. I'm going to imagine that it's functionally impossible to make a font with full emoji support now unless you're a massive corporation. (Not that it's an issue really, but there's only so far you can push the list of required code points right? You can leave off…

Actually, once you're going to support CJKV languages, and especially more than one of those at the same time, the idea of single font for single document just goes out of window. It already is out of window, just you don't notice it unless you have CJKV users or literacy.

The way it has to work is part of sentences must be rendered in an English font, requires own appropriate font inline and part requires another appropriate font, because there are no distinction in the text binary between Simplified Chinese,, and any other Chinese language variants.

What this has to do with emoji is, same is going on with emoji; emoji is own "language", and the way it has to be and it is supported right now is by switching fonts and calling whoever default and/or can supply missing characters in-line and per-character.

Well, maybe the ship still is on domestic waters on CJKV because there are conspicuous reserved areas in Unicode assignments to hold all CsCtJKV(?) symbols separately, but for emojis it has.

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