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Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

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Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

#51

I'm constantly reminded to be thankful to be a homeowner in America. Most other countries don't even have fixed-rate mortgages and many of my international friends are facing massive unexpected jumps in their monthly housing costs.

Yes. Here in America we face our massive unexpected jumps in the form of medical bills.

Not if you have insurance which most do.

Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

#52
One thing I see being discussed is how high rates will reduce competition for homes (therefore lower prices). This isn't necessarily true for 2 reasons: 1) High rates mean higher finance rates for development/redevelopment projects, forcing new inventory to be priced higher to be viable 2) Owners with locked in rates (most homeowners) have little incentive to trade up, and more likely to trade down (increased competition for starter/smaller homes). Variable rate mortgages are a fraction of the mortgage market they used to be - this isn't 2008.

The only real solutions here are to radically rethink zoning at a city level, and potentially incentivize construction of affordable homes at a federal level through new lending programs.

Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

#53

“Real estate CEOs must `learn to live’ with lower sales, say resistant buyers”. The amount I can pay each month hasn’t changed drastically. If interest payments to my credit union go up, then the principal payments I can make to a seller have go down. The price I can pay is less than it was a couple of years ago. That means your commissions will be dropping, too, Mr. Liniger. You’ll just have to live with it.

Well good luck with that but customers don't determine CEO pay.

Sure they do. If his real estate company closes a lower dollar volume of deals, because money that would’ve been going to sellers is now going to banks as interest, then its stock is likely to go down.

Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

#54

I think he’s trying to say that near-zero interest rates are never coming back which is a sentiment that I think everyone agrees with here. His tone comes off as abrasive, though, and I struggle to want to agree with him.

Right. Seeing mortgage rates in the mid-to-low 4% range again within the next five years seems possible.

I reckon it will be more than a decade before we see anything like the 2020/2021 rates again, if ever.

Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

#55
post #33

Another step closer to revolt. There's only so much pressure the general public will be able to handle. History has taught us when there is a massive unbalance in "haves" and "have nots" things don't play out in ways where we just "sit down and discuss what's going on."

Nah history has taught us mortgages can go way higher. Your part of the online crowd constantly trying to say the next French revolution is coming (been hearing that refrain since the 00s). Also when you buy a house - if you didnt factor in mortgage rates changing thats 95% on you. 6 % isnt even that high. Mortgage is too high offload and move elsewhere. People need to take some responsibility for their purchases.

Yeah, my first mortgage on my house in the late 90s was, I believe, 6 or 7% and that wasn't even considered especially high. (I eventually refinanced for a bit under 5% or something like that.)

Interest rates these days aren't so low you can almost ignore them (e.g. you probably don't want to keep a lot of money in literal cash) but they're not late 70s/80s often double-digits either.

Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

#56

Another step closer to revolt. There's only so much pressure the general public will be able to handle. History has taught us when there is a massive unbalance in "haves" and "have nots" things don't play out in ways where we just "sit down and discuss what's going on."

History hasn't taught you anything about communism?

Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

#57

The headline is awful - the longer sentence is in the article: '“We’re just going to have to learn to live with 6.5% or 7% mortgage rates for six to 18 months,” said Liniger.' The headline is also awful because before 2008 those would be good rates anyway. If you bet on the 2020-2021 trend continuing you could be in a bad place now, but... that was a weird trend to bet on continuing given the COVID factors that are n…

That means that contracts signed in that period will have that percentage baked into them and that means that for those that ink those contracts that it will take up to 30 years at those rates, unless you can refinance but that will cost you too.

It would have to go down far enough to make the refi worth it, but in expensive markets that doesn't take much. When rates bottomed out during Covid the RE bankers I knew were swamped with refi work, I think even on recent stuff already at 4% to 5%. It was like a perfect storm: low rates -> bidding wars driving up prices -> refi to a lower rate, fees paid themselves back in a hurry, take out some equity to do other home-office-upgrades and similar too.

But yes, you should never assume you're gonna be able to refi. Not that that stops everyone. :(

Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

#58

Meanwhile, real estate brokers fees in the US and Canada are ridiculous. I once made a bid on a property slightly under the asking price and the bid was accepted, then, upon reading the fine print it was said that the buyer was responsible for the real estate brokerage fee of the seller. So, I asked to see the amount they had agreed upon and this was so exorbitant that I ended up backing out of the deal (I had not si…

Yeah the mortgage on my first house was close to 7% nearly 30 years ago. PITI was still cheaper than rent.

Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

#59
post #17

I'm constantly reminded to be thankful to be a homeowner in America. Most other countries don't even have fixed-rate mortgages and many of my international friends are facing massive unexpected jumps in their monthly housing costs.

In most countries buying a house doesn’t involve taking out loans that take 30 years to pay off in the first place.

In most countries only the rich can buy homes.

So yes your statement is true, because most people can never buy a home so there's no loan involvement at all.

But I'm pretty sure that's not what you wanted to say.

Re: Homebuyers must ‘learn to live’ with near-7% mortgage rates says RE/MAX chairman

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post #50
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah history has taught us mortgages can go way higher. Your part of the online crowd constantly trying to say the next French revolution is coming (been hearing that refrain since the 00s). Also when you buy a house - if you didnt factor in mortgage rates changing thats 95% on you. 6 % isnt even that high. Mortgage is too high offload and move elsewhere. People need to take some responsibility for their purchases.

It’s high when home prices have grown substantially since the last time mortgages were 7%. Also, it’s not really a “haha, you suck at planning” so much as a new generation is hit with much higher home prices when they are entering buying time of their life. Mortgages have been 4% for the last 20 years or so, so an entire generation has had 4% mainly due to government subsidization. And now the government can’t or won…

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