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FDA says aspartame is safe, disagreeing with WHO finding

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Re: FDA says aspartame is safe, disagreeing with WHO finding

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My understanding is that the WHO has maintained its recommended max. daily intake, which is the equivalent of about 10 cans of soft drinks a day... make of that what you will.

Ask someone who has worked in a restaurant about the habits of diet coke drinkers. They always require 10x or more refills than water or soda.

Perhaps that's partially due to a feeling of moral licensing?

e.g. This thing has no calories, therefore I feel justified in overindulging and drinking tons of it to let my primal urge for sweetness go unopposed.

Re: FDA says aspartame is safe, disagreeing with WHO finding

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> Schubauer-Berigan acknowledged during a press conference with journalists Wednesday that the studies could contain flaws that skewed the results. She said the classification should be viewed as a call to conduct more research into whether aspartame can cause cancer in humans. > “Aspartame is one of the most studied food additives in the human food supply. FDA scientists do not have safety concerns when aspartame is…

> Aspartame could possibly hold the title as the most scrutinized chemical in history You could almost say that it's the Lance Armstrong of food additives.

That's hilarious.

Re: FDA says aspartame is safe, disagreeing with WHO finding

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> Aspartame could possibly hold the title as the most scrutinized chemical in history. I don't understand this talking point, but I see it repeated often. Aspartame has only been approved since the 70s and was only discovered in the 1960s. The total of all the years of use/research into Aspartame doesn't even amount to a single human lifespan. It's barely over half of one! How the hell are we supposed to have any ide…

This is simply conjecture but there have been numerous studies done it. Moreover, it's the most consumed artificial sweetener in the world. In this case, you'd think at least some cases of cancer would appear even by chance related to it. Yet, as far as I know, we really haven't seen any that stood up to statistical rigor. From 1970 to now there have been what...4 generations of aspartame consumers? I'd say that samp…

> From 1970 to now there have been what...4 generations of aspartame consumers?

The few people who started drinking it as teens and adults in the 1970s are now only in their 50s and 60s, and the generations after that have only been drinking it for a few decades. That isn't much data at all to judge long term impacts. 50 years is nothing, and a lot about our consumption of aspartame has changed drastically over that time. In the 1970s people weren't drinking 3-6 cans of diet soda a day. The average American today is drinking a bit less than the 58 gallons of soda a year that we drank in the 90s, but it's still a lot more than was being consumed for the first decade or two since aspartame was added.

Personally, I don't even drink soda and so I have no skin in this game whatsoever. I honestly have no idea what the long term risks of Aspartame are, I just doubt anyone could have much confidence with less than 50 years of research. I can say that it seems highly unlikely that there are dire short term effects at least, but I have nothing but sympathy for those who are skeptical considering that companies routinely buy research to show whatever conclusions they want to see while burying any results that are unfavorable and the FDA often seems to care more about protecting profits than human lives. We've seen again and again that companies are willing to knowingly poison people and that regulatory agencies are ineffective at protecting us from it, so I can't blame anyone for being cautious.

Considering that the WHO's stance of "possible carcinogen" isn't a strong claim in the first place and the recommendation for additional research can't hurt anyway it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Re: FDA says aspartame is safe, disagreeing with WHO finding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Aspartame could possibly hold the title as the most scrutinized chemical in history. I don't understand this talking point, but I see it repeated often. Aspartame has only been approved since the 70s and was only discovered in the 1960s. The total of all the years of use/research into Aspartame doesn't even amount to a single human lifespan. It's barely over half of one! How the hell are we supposed to have any ide…

This is simply conjecture but there have been numerous studies done it. Moreover, it's the most consumed artificial sweetener in the world. In this case, you'd think at least some cases of cancer would appear even by chance related to it. Yet, as far as I know, we really haven't seen any that stood up to statistical rigor. From 1970 to now there have been what...4 generations of aspartame consumers? I'd say that samp…

There have hardly been 4 generations of aspartame consumers, since quite a few of the 1970s generation are still with us (would it be more or less if they'd had no aspartame? I have no idea, do you?) and mass use didn't kick in until later anyway.

Re: FDA says aspartame is safe, disagreeing with WHO finding

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It is "normal" that the US allows food (additives, at least) that is banned in Europe https://archive.is/N6JI1

Tonka beans are legal over here, though. And while this lists a bunch of things we have issues with, there are also a few others that might eventually get allowed, but take a long time. Like monk fruit and alluose.

For context, tonka is valued for its coumarin content and coumarin is maligned for its association with the active ingredient in rat poison and some medications, but is a different molecule.

Coumarin is found chiefly in perfumes (functional and fine fragrance) and smells sweet and grassy. In this application, it is sold all over the world, including the US.

As a flavor in food, it is banned in the US.

Re: FDA says aspartame is safe, disagreeing with WHO finding

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> And given the alternative is sugar No, the alternative is to learn to enjoy bitter beverages. We don't need sweeteners.

You do realize you can sweeten more than beverages right? What if a diabetic wants a cookie? Or ice cream? This is why hazard ratios are important.

Aspartame and most sweeteners fall apart at high temperatures, limiting their usefulness for a lot of foodstuffs, like cookies.

Which is a shame in my opinion.

Re: FDA says aspartame is safe, disagreeing with WHO finding

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The WHO does have a tendency to lean overly cautious. But you have to remember that the FDA is not working for YOUR best interest either. When the FDA says that something is “safe”, what it actually means is “the economic impacts of this are probably negligible in a lifetime”. So if aspartame causes cancer after your career is over, then it’s safe according to the FDA. The WHO isn’t under the same lobbying or economi…

Not that I don’t disagree with the idea of being skeptical about agency motivations and transparency, but this seems like a literal conspiracy theory. There are all kinds of things that cause or are linked cancer that pretty much have to be legal. Can the government entirely ban motor vehicles or delivery trucks? Would you have the government ban ice cream because obesity causes cancer? Government agencies like the F…

Actually banning fossil fuel cars from dense city centers has been proven to be healthier for the people living there. So yeah would be great if they could ban them everywhere.

Re: FDA says aspartame is safe, disagreeing with WHO finding

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> Schubauer-Berigan acknowledged during a press conference with journalists Wednesday that the studies could contain flaws that skewed the results. She said the classification should be viewed as a call to conduct more research into whether aspartame can cause cancer in humans. > “Aspartame is one of the most studied food additives in the human food supply. FDA scientists do not have safety concerns when aspartame is…

> Aspartame could possibly hold the title as the most scrutinized chemical in history You could almost say that it's the Lance Armstrong of food additives.

This is genuinely hilarious. Well done.
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