The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

Post by wholinator2 » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 7:42 PM UTC

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(Make sure I wasn’t a narc) What does this mean in the context? Were they afraid of getting shut down during covid or something? I’m assuming that is what you meant.

Could be roids. When I used to powerlift that stuff was all too common. When I was kid lifting with the grownups they sold GHB next to the protein bars.

Post by maxbond » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 7:50 PM UTC

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I agree about conspiratorial thinking, I think you wrote a good exposition on that subject, and I think the way you incorporated Bayesianism is interesting. I disagree with the part where you say "merely," a conspiracy theory plays a particular role within political discourse. Conspiracy theories are intimately connected with power relations and ideology. They are also syncretic (or at least, the ones that fail to be…

True, the dynamics I stated are pretty broad (scarily so!): they don't describe why any particular set of ideas will take hold or not. The ones which appear will certainly depend on politics, as various goals/agendas are pushed (some good, some bad; subjectively speaking). There's also an aspect of cultural darwinism, that certain theories/agendas/politics are good at "reproducing" and others go "extinct". I suppose…

Post by RC_ITR » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 8:02 PM UTC

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>Choice is fundamental to rejection, and rejection is fundamental to counter culture. Most Westerners 'reject' Marxism, but that's not because we choose not to live in Marxist societies, it's because none exist that would take a Westerner in. "Choice" is very often an expression of circumstance, and I would again argue the emphasis on wealthy white people choosing to become hippies in the 1960s has really skewed peop…

I heartily disagree. Choice is central to rejection. Someone born blind by circumstance is not rejecting vision. Some who blinds themselves or refuses restorative treatment is rejecting vision. Re Marxism, Most people reject Marxism by not desiring it or desiring to implement it. They have the choice to advocate for it or vote for Marxists, but in general do not. However, some do choose it and there is a small US com…

Post by RC_ITR » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 8:04 PM UTC

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I always think it’s so interesting that on the threads about counterculture, nobody brings up the obvious counterculture that is a huge topic of conversation in America: Homeless people. A large group of individuals who live their life very differently from the mainstream (countercultures do not have to be opt-in), who have completely different goals/morals/motivations than the mainstream, and are fully and violently…

> I always think it’s so interesting that on the threads about counterculture, nobody brings up the obvious counterculture that is a huge topic of conversation in America: Homeless people. I don't think homelessness is a counterculture, unless it's been adopted as a conscious choice/preference. My understanding is the vast majority of homeless are such because of involuntary mental health/substance abuse issues or po…

Post by watwut » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 8:17 PM UTC

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Roma have their own culture. It is not counterculture, it is just how their traditions developed.

Romani culture developed and maintained a nomadic lifestyle in areas where non-nomadic people already lived. To the point of choice, most Romani people are born into it. If that's not a counter-culture, then what is a counterculture exactly?