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The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by ipaddr »

tekla wrote: post #46
ipaddr wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are risking fingers, cutting off body parts or taking dumb risks just stop. It's not worth it. It's not cool or interesting. These are the things you regret later. You did not get hurt here works until someone does get hurt and the hammer comes down on you.

This is why people think counterculture is dead. I've hurt myself badly many times and have never regretted it, because it was fun and incredibly intellectually satisfying. I know no-one at these places that regret it, everyone accepts that that they are all working to a common goal of being awesome

No one at the events can admit to regretting it because they will be kicked out of the social group. The need for acceptance is greater than intellectual curiosity otherwise these riskful action would happen privately. That only happens for the few mental ill leaders. The rest are looking for excitement, social acceptance (from ingroup or stories later spread to new groups).

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

spacemadness wrote: post #80
Llamasponge wrote: post #12

In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream, you could argue that the far-right has become counterculture. The far-right is VERY prevalent on both Instagram, Twitter and other social media.

Sure, but is the unspoken context here “and that makes it cool”? Because it doesn’t make it cool.

No one said that a counterculture has to be 'cool'. Some can be backward and bigoted, but stand in opposition to popular beliefs, and are counterculture none the less.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by clsec »

ravenstine wrote: post #19

The real counterculture right now is non-participation . In a world where virtually everything is either designed to completely waste your time or fail and not be repairable, it's a highly radical act to stop consuming like the 95%, preferring to spend time with other humans in reality doing something that isn't technological. In spite of the popular world pushing the message that you will be fulfilled living in virt…

Agreed up until DND & frisbee golf. It's actually off/airplane mode and what happens in counterculture stays off the internet. Instead frisbee-golf pics will be posted to fool the masses.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by helen___keller »

dingusdew wrote: post #38
ravenstine wrote: post #19

The real counterculture right now is non-participation . In a world where virtually everything is either designed to completely waste your time or fail and not be repairable, it's a highly radical act to stop consuming like the 95%, preferring to spend time with other humans in reality doing something that isn't technological. In spite of the popular world pushing the message that you will be fulfilled living in virt…

You had me until the weird put-down of soy and insects.

Some people really really hate tofu I guess. Probably never had a great mapo tofu, that stuff slaps

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by NiloCK »

ravenstine wrote: post #19

The real counterculture right now is non-participation . In a world where virtually everything is either designed to completely waste your time or fail and not be repairable, it's a highly radical act to stop consuming like the 95%, preferring to spend time with other humans in reality doing something that isn't technological. In spite of the popular world pushing the message that you will be fulfilled living in virt…

It's maybe telling that even imaginary radicals own smartphones.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by spacemadness »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #112
spacemadness wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but is the unspoken context here “and that makes it cool”? Because it doesn’t make it cool.

No one said that a counterculture has to be 'cool'. Some can be backward and bigoted, but stand in opposition to popular beliefs, and are counterculture none the less.

Oh people are trying if you look in the comments here. We have plenty of proud bigots here.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by extr0pian »

dingusdew wrote: post #38
ravenstine wrote: post #19

The real counterculture right now is non-participation . In a world where virtually everything is either designed to completely waste your time or fail and not be repairable, it's a highly radical act to stop consuming like the 95%, preferring to spend time with other humans in reality doing something that isn't technological. In spite of the popular world pushing the message that you will be fulfilled living in virt…

You had me until the weird put-down of soy and insects.

Same. Soy is great source of protein that's far less resource intensive and generally cheaper than factory farming. And the only times I've heard of people eating insects are from people attacking/insulting another group of people.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by atchoo »

api wrote: post #48
Llamasponge wrote: post #12

In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream, you could argue that the far-right has become counterculture. The far-right is VERY prevalent on both Instagram, Twitter and other social media.

I think this is the biggest argument against deplatforming: it actually makes them cool. Part of the appeal of these ideologies is clearly that they are offensive, not permitted on mainstream platforms, and therefore are something that their participants can "own" and that won't be co-opted by consumerism. It's the same thing that fueled "Satanic" rock and similar things. Fascism is devil music. That most people are…

That type of "cool" is not the threat, becoming mainstream is. A deplatformed niche like a few dozen neo-fascists in a street-fighting gang, can be contained, but if a hateful ideology is plaformed and funded, it can snowball. The crossover point is when it has enough power that moderates join it because of it's ubquity and benefits as if it were a career choice. It's this type of political force that dismantles democracies, encourages pogroms, commits state genocide, creates apartheid systems etc.

Musk's funding of the far right has the much more terrifying trajectory of a Hitler not an Enrique Tarrio.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by inkcapmushroom »

unpopularopp wrote: post #24

In 2023 counterculture is right wing but that's a hard to swallow pill for a lot

There's not really just one counterculture. There's still far left old school hippy counterculture out there, just minding their business and forming collectives and communes and putting good vibes out and making the expensive local tofu that's sold at the "all natural" grocery stores. The right counterculture is also there, they both just stand in contrast to different aspects of mainstream culture.

Edit: another modern counterculture that's easy to identify: the Amish.

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