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The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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The internet used to be counterculture. Now it’s the mall. Those of us who feel nostalgia for the countercultural internet … I fear we’re too old to be admitted into current counterculture. We are the culture the youths are countering.

Counterculture and seemingly-mainstream %thing1% are not mutually exclusive. All that’s required to subvert %thing1%’s mainstreamness is to approach it (in case of a place, be in it) differently.

Answering the phone, wearing clothes in public, taking a bus, driving a car, using a popular social media app, visiting a mall.

You can be at a mall ironically. Observe signaling from outside of your identity. Come in to take a dump in a nice bathroom. All that’s required is some self-awareness.

In fact, it is the other way around: problems often begin when a thing seems countercultural, leading you to approach it as part of your identity—it can be much harder to ironically or out of pure utility visit an artisan alley or an underground music club. In this sense, if we imagine some hypothetical scale of counterculturalness, I’d say it’s very well possible that some artisan alley would do much worse than a mall on it.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erm, counter culture has nothing to do with age per se.

Touche. But many here on HN literally helped build the mainstream web. Or at least gave it their best shot. Hard to get more mainstream than “i work at facebook/google/whatever”

I see what you are saying.

On the other hand, a lot of the counter culture that I've seen takes a view something like "The reality is that most of us have to work for a corp 9-5 to survive. What makes you counter culture is what you do with the rest of your life."

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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I hesitate to vouch for this comment because of the tone, but I feel like theres genuine confusion here worth talking about.

So to answer directly - I thought it was very clear. I wouldn't describe it as word vomit at all albeit informal in tone. The idea that what used to be counter culture can not be so anymore because it feeds the beast is abstract and wild but also reasonable.

Where did it lose you? Not asking as a gotcha, genuinely curious about interesting critique, or a misunderstanding I can help clear, or even just comparing differing readings of the same bit.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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The author has a good use of language but so many things they say seem very off. They seem overly fixated on the idea that counter-culture also has to be progressive. They are weirdly fixated on some aspects of internet culture. The main take away I have is that this author doesn't really seem to understand culture, what is counter culture, or internet culture. They are right that instagram isn't counter cultural, But honestly the real counter culture things are just offline.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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The real counterculture right now is non-participation . In a world where virtually everything is either designed to completely waste your time or fail and not be repairable, it's a highly radical act to stop consuming like the 95%, preferring to spend time with other humans in reality doing something that isn't technological. In spite of the popular world pushing the message that you will be fulfilled living in virt…

You had me until the weird put-down of soy and insects.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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post #20

Counterculture requires gatekeeping, because most people can't take it, ESPECIALLY anyone who uses Instragram The best times I've had were having parties where we would work on cool exhibits with barely contained pyrotechnics, Tesla coils that would kill you if you touched it, and an expectation that YOU DO NOT PUT IT ON THE INTERNET and if you get hurt, YOU DID NOT GET HURT HERE. Everyone wants a nice and curated ex…

If you are risking fingers, cutting off body parts or taking dumb risks just stop. It's not worth it. It's not cool or interesting. These are the things you regret later.

You did not get hurt here works until someone does get hurt and the hammer comes down on you.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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post #20

Counterculture requires gatekeeping, because most people can't take it, ESPECIALLY anyone who uses Instragram The best times I've had were having parties where we would work on cool exhibits with barely contained pyrotechnics, Tesla coils that would kill you if you touched it, and an expectation that YOU DO NOT PUT IT ON THE INTERNET and if you get hurt, YOU DID NOT GET HURT HERE. Everyone wants a nice and curated ex…

I realize the irony of this question, but any suggestions on how to find these kinds of parties?
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