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Re: FDA approves first nonprescription daily oral contraceptive

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Post by regularfry »

giantg2 wrote: post #318
regularfry wrote: post #152

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I should point out that if this specific type is known to be safe... yeah, dish them out like tic-tacs. Fill your footwear of choice.

No medication is completely safe. Any medication approved for use has to be "generally safe" when used correctly. So basically all meds can be dangerous or safe. It's all about informed consent and proper use.

Well exactly. In this case it's more a matter of whether the move to non-prescription introduces significant new risks both that didn't exist before and that the layperson shouldn't be expected to be able to handle.

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Post by giraffe_lady »

skissane wrote: post #375
giraffe_lady wrote: post #372

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Who cares though? It makes no difference to the people whose lives are affected by the banning of contraceptives. This sort of sophisticated model of their interiority is simply not valuable to me. I don't care if they're internally consistent I care what they want to do .

I think it is important to steelman one’s opponents rather than strawman them, to seek to present their position accurately rather than oversimplifying it. To me that is an important norm of civil discourse, and I care about the norms of civil discourse. That increasingly many people don’t doesn’t bode well for society’s future.

One really distinct american political dynamic of the last decade or two is liberals caring about the norms of civil discourse while the far right succeeds in its wildest dreams by ignoring them. There's no referee to call when they do that, there's no virtue in losing civil rights but keeping the moral high ground.

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Post by tracker1 »

euler5050 wrote: post #284
tracker1 wrote: post #282

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So, because I displaced the term dietician with nutritionist conversationally you side step into a diatribe. You do realize that a lot of people have learning disabilities that make it difficult to remember specific terms in their place? It's kind of like a mental block in trying to remember. I have this when it comes to proper names all the time. It doesn't mean that I don't have an understanding of the conceptual b…

People mix up the title all the time, it's no big deal. I'm mostly focused on the fact that you were upset by the licensing requirement. I took that as evidence that you were not aware that dietitians are often a clinical facing role, with clinical responsibilities such as writing prescriptions. Was I incorrect in that assumption? Or do you genuinely want to relax the licensure requirement for people who write IV pre…

I'm not upset about the licensing requirement... I'm upset that said licensing is based more around establishment dogma (standard of care via USDA) than actual known nutritional science.

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Post by skissane »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #382
skissane wrote: post #375

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I think it is important to steelman one’s opponents rather than strawman them, to seek to present their position accurately rather than oversimplifying it. To me that is an important norm of civil discourse, and I care about the norms of civil discourse. That increasingly many people don’t doesn’t bode well for society’s future.

One really distinct american political dynamic of the last decade or two is liberals caring about the norms of civil discourse while the far right succeeds in its wildest dreams by ignoring them. There's no referee to call when they do that, there's no virtue in losing civil rights but keeping the moral high ground.

Is that what has actually happened? One can point to plenty of liberals/progressives defying those norms, and plenty of conservatives respecting them. Both “sides” contain civil and uncivil people; claims that one side is worse than the other rely heavily on ignoring the faults of one’s preferred side while highlighting those of the other

I also don’t agree that the “far right succeeds in its wildest dreams”-I think that kind of talk relies on nonsensically grouping together Clarence Thomas with David Duke, Trump-supporting Orthodox Jews [0] with neo-Nazi antisemites such as Andrew Anglin

[0] https://www.timesofisrael.com/orthodox-jews-back-trump-by-ma...

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Post by tohnjitor »

Balgair wrote: post #311
tohnjitor wrote: post #302

Hormonal birth control and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Typical testosterone levels (perhaps not just humans either but in other mammals as well) have been dropping significantly since approximately the time hormonal birth control became widely available. The drugs pro Before you snicker and make jokes, reduced testosterone in men has a strong correlation with depression, which leads to i…

Before everyone goes asking : Source?, I want to caution one thing. Smoking increases testosterone levels[0]. Like any drug, nicotine has a variety of side effects, and one of them seems to be increasing testosterone levels (the exact measures here are complicated, read the article for more info). So, trying to untie the decease in smoking to a total decrease in male testosterone seems to be an active area of researc…

I wasn't familiar with that but very interesting. The other factor besides pharmaceuticals and apparently decrease in tobacco use seems to be increased use of plastics.

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Post by giraffe_lady »

skissane wrote: post #384
giraffe_lady wrote: post #382

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One really distinct american political dynamic of the last decade or two is liberals caring about the norms of civil discourse while the far right succeeds in its wildest dreams by ignoring them. There's no referee to call when they do that, there's no virtue in losing civil rights but keeping the moral high ground.

Is that what has actually happened? One can point to plenty of liberals/progressives defying those norms, and plenty of conservatives respecting them. Both “sides” contain civil and uncivil people; claims that one side is worse than the other rely heavily on ignoring the faults of one’s preferred side while highlighting those of the other I also don’t agree that the “far right succeeds in its wildest dreams”-I think…

Yes that is what happened. Major revanchist victories across wide swathes of cultural and civil advances: abortion, queer rights & safety, affirmative action, retributive justice system. Adhering to civil norms in this context is itself a fault, that's my point. To the extent democrats are my preferred "side" I condemn them for this.

Why is it nonsensical to group thomas and duke? Because thomas is black? To the extent they share values and goals and are acting on and succeeding in them it absolutely makes sense to group them. It doesn't mean I think they are friends, but I am acknowledging domains where they work towards the same ends.

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Post by mock-possum »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #179
kridsdale3 wrote: post #167

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There are tens of thousands of men taking injectables in the US and worldwide today who completely bypass the medical gatekeeping establishment. These injectables have been shown to reduce fertility to nil and last for up to 6 months. The specific one in question here (very dangerous in small doses, do not seek) is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trestolone These men also have an extremely high risk of side effects (as…

From wikipedia: > Side effects of trestolone use in men include low estrogen levels and associated symptoms such as reduced sexual function > Trestolone may cause sexual dysfunction (e.g., decreased sex drive, reduced erectile function) Well, that's one way to avoid pregnancy.

Sex is a distraction from gainz

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Post by chimeracoder »

rvcdbn wrote: post #327
runako wrote: post #87

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Is there anything in current US politics around pregnancy that might make you consider that the legal regime in this area might be changing?

sure but the previous comment made it sound like it was already illegal which would have been really surprising to me. I’m no fan of recent regressions in abortion law but the arguments made by pro-lifers that I’ve heard would not apply to birth control (ie that abortion is essentially killing a human). so I would actually expect them to favor birth control as a way to prevent abortion. that’s assuming their position…

> I’m no fan of recent regressions in abortion law but the arguments made by pro-lifers that I’ve heard would not apply to birth control (ie that abortion is essentially killing a human). so I would actually expect them to favor birth control as a way to prevent abortion

This is a topic that is extensively documented, so you can look up the viewpoints of the groups that have campaigned for decades to overturn Roe v. Wade and to make abortion illegal. As it turns out, they do oppose birth control, and they have explicitly declared that Griswold (which legalized birth control) is one of their next targets.

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Post by mcpackieh »

mathisfun123 wrote: post #357
mcpackieh wrote: post #344

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In a liberal democracy, a common citizen 'dictating' simply means saying something with a jackass commanding tone. Such advocacy for policy/governance is a protected right in liberal democracies. It is my right to say: "I command you to dye yourself blue and dance for my amusement." And it's your right to tell me to fuck off.

read my words carefully: i didn't say anything about the words themselves, nor the act of speaking those words, i said the ideas and positions are antithetical.

The idea to which you responded was the assertion that people have a right to vote in matters that don't concern them. This is the central premise of liberal democracy.

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Post by mcpackieh »

trogdor wrote: post #362
mcpackieh wrote: post #322

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YMMV but acetaminophen is extremely effective for me. I refuse all opioid/etc prescriptions even after surgeries, and acetaminophen makes this tolerable. It doesn't magic the pain away but it takes the edge off with no risk of addiction. My understanding is that for chronic pain the evidence is sparse, but for postoperative pain it definitely works.

Do you also refuse intraoperative opioids?

No, but I refuse to have such drugs placed in my custody to me for me to be responsible for. The doctors can dose me with whatever they think is appropriate while I'm under their supervision, but I won't take that stuff home with me.
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