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Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal
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#524Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not really worth going through all that. > Settings >> Apple ID (profile pic at top) >> Subscriptions It's probably the same screen, but this one is easier to find the entrypoint.
The person I replied to specifically said they have trouble finding the list. Giving them the path to get there doesn’t solve the issue, it’s like someone saying “I sometimes forget the steps” and replying “that’s not a problem, just remember the steps”. The point of the shortcut is they don’t have to remember. And it only needs to be set up once , after that it’s a single tap to reach the screen. Building the shortc…
Yea, perhaps, but there are also a lot of people who don't like adding new stuff to their homescreen just to access a few times a year. The difference between the App Store vs Settings app route is that everything is much more clearly labeled in the latter case.
You make a valid point though.
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#525Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am from the Netherlands, and I never see prices without VAT on websites. What is an example? Edit: not saying your lying, just thinking it might be geo related sometimes?
Prices without VAT are the main listed price on Dutch websites whose primary clientele isn't the end consumer. Examples I remembered offhand: elektramat.nl, rvspaleis.nl Those both list the price with VAT too, but the primary list price is without. You'll find plenty of more examples e.g. if you think about what the house you're in is made of, and look for those materials in bulk. E.g. I-beams, pallets of wood, insul…
Ahh yeah, websites targeting other businesses might give the ex-VAT price the preference. Although your 2 examples still show the price including VAT directly under the non-VAT price.
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#526Subscription providers will be as shameless as allowed by law. Or worse. I try to cancel subscriptions immidiately after signing up when i only want the service for a limited time. For an Italian newspaper's online subscription, after contacting them for cancellation via web form, my family was informed: you have to call a number and that cancellations will only be accepted 1 day before the end of the subscription. L…
> Quite surprised this was apparently legal in Italy Did you verify that? Because I wouldn't be surprised if it's not actually legal, but that it's just a "we'll try it and no one fines us if we break the law" type of thing. When I lived in the UK (pre-Brexit) quite a few companies broke EU consumer laws all the time, such as mandatory listing of FULL price up front, but no one really seemed to care enough to actuall…
You're completely right; I don't know, but challenging that or even just finding out more about the legal situation in Italy was beyond my language skills.
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#527Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you know the details of what happened here? Unless you know otherwise, it sounds like your father probably ended up clicking the "renew subscription now" button when prompted, not that simply logging in triggered the charge. I'm ready to believe that the renewal prompt was heavily geared towards making it easy to renew, and Netflix should be required to make it equally easy to cancel, but unless you know he didn't…
Take AliExpress for instance, they have my credit card stored. But even if I login and try to buy something, they still ask for the security code on the back of my card. How come Netflix would allow anyone other than me use my credit card to subscribe (or renew the subscription) without even asking that? My father don't have access to my card, neither other members of my family. If Netflix was being honest they would…
> anyone other than me
Password sharing means that they assume everyone using your account is you. I notice you ignored my question about whether your father had a separate account, so I'm assuming he did not.
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#528Nothing makes me want this to pass more than Disney and Netflix fighting it. If those assholes are opposed to it, almost by definition I'm going to be for it.
For customers it is quite good, but to be fair, Netflix cancellation process is very straightforward, at least in Europe. There weren't any tricks, they just said see you later and cancelled.
Industry trade organizations with those companies as members are fighting the proposal. The particular companies in the headline might not care.
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#529Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does the government really need to know every subscription that every person in the county has? This seems like massive overreach/invasion of privacy.
Actually, at least for this system, it is more like a common API enforced by e-Devlet with a client on e-Devlet, rather than the government tracking your subscriptions. Every time you open the page for this central cancellation system, it queries the providers' servers using a token generated from your digital key (so you can't query random people's info) and shows you if you have a subscription with them or not. If…
This is amazing. Really, truly incredible. How many other countries have this? It should be promoted - I want this in Norway!
Has any of the code and infrastructure been open sourced?
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#530Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re lucky then, in a way that doesn’t generalize to the broader question of collections being or not being worthless. Many debt collectors will routinely report longstanding uncollected debts to credit reporting agencies. Maybe you got a rare debt collection agency that doesn’t bother, or one which decides your debt was too small to be worth their bother for that, or maybe your debt collector is actually the accou…
The thing about it is - fuck them - I'm not paying someone who scammed money out of me, no matter how they threaten me. If debt collection is part of that scam, then fuck them too.
I respect your feelings, and as I said upthread I do want it to become mandatory for cancellation to be as easy as signing up. Gym membership cancellation hassles are an awfully common abusive scam that should be legislated or regulated away and turned to something that’s actually fair for both sides instead of predatory.
My earlier replies to you were simply discussing the law as it is and the practices and consequences currently typical in debt collection, aside from when I agreed that changes in the legal rules would be a good thing. Neither your feelings nor my policy preferences change how the world currently works.