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"Captain's log, Stardate 3034. The Enterprise is now in its 23rd reboot."
Made me chuckle. I can't recall any STNG episode where they solve some tech issue by doing the same thing but after a restart or two. Didn't computers at the time of writing have the state problem solved by reboots? Like, reloading the program was essentially the same thing or something?
Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
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Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not being the worst tactic used by companies to break strikes doesn't make it good or even OK . Nor should it lessen the condemnation faced by these companies. EDIT: To be clear, I expect a company's executive team in the 21st century to act ethically and with even the smallest bit of compassion for their coworkers. I do not expect them to act like some entitled plantation owner in the late 19th century. And if that'…
> Not being the worst tactic used by companies to break strikes doesn't make it good or even OK. I mean, I'm very pro-union rights, but I think in this case, it's pretty simple. If you don't work, you don't get paid. Both the studios and the unions are playing by the rules, here. It may not produce a fair outcome (because the distribution of power in society isn't fair), but it is at least a fair process . And the un…
Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Refusing to accept a deal is akin to acts of violence? Its not 'refusing to accept a deal', its this: "“The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their apartments and losing their houses,” a studio executive told Deadline." [0] I don't think I can get more hyperbolic than "our stance is we won't talk to them until they're freezing in the streets". [0] https://deadline.com/2023/07/wr…
The part that you're not mentioning is that the union members are choosing not to sign the deal, and therefore are freezing in the streets. This sucks for union members, but I don't see how else such negotiations are supposed to work. If there's no threat of either side not accepting a deal, then what leverage does either side have? And if the union doesn't want to accept a deal from the studios, and consequently doe…
The union members are choosing not to accept a deal that will leave them nearly destitute.
The studio execs are choosing not to accept a deal that will...leave them still massively wealthy, just slightly less so.
Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
#144> “In that ground breaking AI proposal, they proposed that our background performers should be able to be scanned, get paid for one day’s pay, and their company should own that scan, their image, their likeness, and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity in any project they want with no consent and no compensation,” he said. “So if you think that’s a ground breaking proposal I suggest you think again.” I m…
How does it have anything to do with AI? Most mocap / 3d capture stuff is just hard number crunching. Games have had automated animation software good enough for background characters for a while...
With AI it can make them automatically look lifelike, and you can just pull from your database of scans. Furthermore, you can use AI to create new extras from your existing training data.
Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
>that is a major negative impact to people's lives. I fully acknowledge the hardship that the union members are going through, and that the impact is likely disproportionate. However, that's a negative impact brought on by themselves by choosing to engage in said strikes. The union might still be in the "right" in terms of what they're demanding, but they're still the proximate cause of their own hardship.
This is a very cruel take, lacking such empathy that you blame the least powerful people in an industry for demanding a living allocation of the vast wealth the industry creates from those in power that decide the allocations? Walk away from your career and surrender if your partners decide to take all the income from you? What an odd way to live your life. What an impossible way to live a life.
See my previous comment: "The union might still be in the "right" in terms of what they're demanding, "
My only point was that the union and its members was presented with two choices: accepting a "bad" offer, or striking in hopes of getting a better offer. If they chose the latter and lost out, it was entirely their decision that led to their predicament.
Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, to be honest we've been served a lot of trash content before the strike for various reasons so I'm not sure how our interests and worker's interests align here.
People have been continuingly trying to say "content is garbage, the writers on strike weren't any good anyway" and such throughout this whole ordeal. But there's a lot of content for a reason--we each have our preferences. What one person loves, someone else thinks is shit. Most content will not be for everyone . This is fine. But are you actually saying that there is nothing out there that you really enjoy? That 10…
I wouldn't mind to try the AI stuff. Why would I care if the sea of junk content is generated by an AI instead of low paid humans? Maybe the AI will prove how worthless this B content actually is and let real humans focus on good/valuable content. Either way competition is always a good thing in my book.
I'm sure there will still be premium content such Game of Thrones, Top Gun, Avatar etc. Maybe the AI will even let us tailor the experience/plot more to our individual preferences(i.e our own check-boxes) so let's embrace the technology once again.
It may be the solution not the problem to the quality of content and not only(i.e diversity). People could choose to watch the same movie in different modes(i.e director's mode, kids mode, snowflake mode, adult mode, asian mode, black mode, caucasian mode, lgbtq+ mode, mixt mode, random mode and so on).
Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
With the major advances in AI threatening to further take power from the many and give it to the few, I definitely agree.
Unions only work because they can threaten to withhold labor. If AI takes off the and AI replace workers, they'll be unemployed. Unions aren't going to help situation.
Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
The same could be said for the union. Why should either side be forced to make concessions?
Same argument could be made in the vein of why should one side be forced to accept the other's demands unilaterally? Thus the deadlock and the strike. After all, each side making concessions is how this usually works.
Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
It probably won't be long before algorithms can mocap just from the recorded footage and then transpose those movements to arbitrary 3D models :/ That doesn't take away from the beauty of martial arts though. You can have an exact definition of all the moves you'll ever do, but still spend decades refining them. For actors though... yeah I can see why they're worried
I’ve seen the new Indiana Jones last week, and found the (clearly) animated opening scenes quite unrealistic. There was constantly something wrong with Indy’s sudden movements and other tells. Felt more like a really good cutscene. And they did have mocap available for that. I don’t think you‘ll get believable virtual actors (outside of action scenes) without mocap anytime soon.
I would love to hear from a primatologist who's decades into their career to see if they think Planet of the Apes holds up.
Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was part of the plot of "Joan is Awful" (Black Mirror S06E01). I sorta expected some sort of AI proposal but I didn't think it would be so drastic, so soon. Then again, it might just be the tactic of asking for a mountain to get the hill you really want (I'm sure there's a name for this).
> I'm sure there's a name for this Anchoring[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_(cognitive_bias)