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Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Post by bragr »

Justsignedup wrote: post #163
ryaneager wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A company be responsible for their actions? Where in heaven did you get such a dastardly idea?

The solution to like 90% of all problems: The CEO is legally responsible for every illegal action taken by the company. This is also true for all managers down to the department that caused the illegal action. That's it. Nothing else. You'll see a massive amount of bad behavior from companies instantly stop. When your neck is on the line, you won't do it. Or you'll quit. However given history, this will never occur.…

>The CEO is legally responsible for every illegal action taken by the company.

You think CEO compensation is out of control now? Think about what you'd have to pay someone to be the CEO of any moderately large corporation if that were the case.

You think your boss is up your ass now? Think about what they'll be like when they are strictly liable for anything you do.

I'm not against more executive responsibility, but you have to consider the externalities of your policies.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Post by gxs »

How in the world could you in good consciousness argue against this?

It’s a simple thing that shouldn’t even have to be debated.

Corporations just shouldn’t have the power to even have a say in this. Put up for vote or whatever the fuck.

I’m busy working and unfortunately I can’t hire an army of lawyers to fight this full time in my place.

I’m just dumbfounded that we can’t even get little wins.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Post by WorldMaker »

GolfPopper wrote: post #208
Justsignedup wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution to like 90% of all problems: The CEO is legally responsible for every illegal action taken by the company. This is also true for all managers down to the department that caused the illegal action. That's it. Nothing else. You'll see a massive amount of bad behavior from companies instantly stop. When your neck is on the line, you won't do it. Or you'll quit. However given history, this will never occur.…

Make the board liable as well, under both civil and criminal law.

Include any substantial shareholders, too. Say >= 25% ownership or >= $1,000,000 valuation.

Then recurse that if that shareholder is also corporate. Don't let them just bankrupt empty shell companies, hold the parent companies responsible too.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Post by atahanacar »

hayd wrote: post #81
RGBCube wrote: post #60

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> I'd prefer to see it as a non-government, not-for-profit service. Hard, because the government has authority, a random company does not. I'd still trust my government more than a random non profit company, if my trust decreases, I'd vote for different people to manage the country - which is not possible with companies.

Does the government really need to know every subscription that every person in the county has? This seems like massive overreach/invasion of privacy.

Actually, at least for this system, it is more like a common API enforced by e-Devlet with a client on e-Devlet, rather than the government tracking your subscriptions. Every time you open the page for this central cancellation system, it queries the providers' servers using a token generated from your digital key (so you can't query random people's info) and shows you if you have a subscription with them or not. If you want to cancel, it basically generates and sends a digitally signed and pre-filled form over digital mail (kind of like e-mail, but legally binding, timestamped, encrypted and mandatory for all corporate entities - like some sort of online notary).

At this point, everything continues as if this system wasn't involved, but now you have proof of intent to cancel. If they don't act on it in 2 work days you are in no obligation to pay for them anymore. And even if you accidentally do pay, you will be refunded.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Post by wombat-man »

rogual wrote: post #189
didsomeonesay wrote: post #138

Subscription providers will be as shameless as allowed by law. Or worse. I try to cancel subscriptions immidiately after signing up when i only want the service for a limited time. For an Italian newspaper's online subscription, after contacting them for cancellation via web form, my family was informed: you have to call a number and that cancellations will only be accepted 1 day before the end of the subscription. L…

Adobe do that "cancellation window" trick too. I'd never seen it anywhere else, though; I thought they were uniquely scummy.

Youtube tv has it, but it's 3 days iirc, and you can still click a button to cancel.

Still annoying.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Post by marcosdumay »

bragr wrote: post #211
Justsignedup wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution to like 90% of all problems: The CEO is legally responsible for every illegal action taken by the company. This is also true for all managers down to the department that caused the illegal action. That's it. Nothing else. You'll see a massive amount of bad behavior from companies instantly stop. When your neck is on the line, you won't do it. Or you'll quit. However given history, this will never occur.…

>The CEO is legally responsible for every illegal action taken by the company. You think CEO compensation is out of control now? Think about what you'd have to pay someone to be the CEO of any moderately large corporation if that were the case. You think your boss is up your ass now? Think about what they'll be like when they are strictly liable for anything you do. I'm not against more executive responsibility, but…

> You think CEO compensation is out of control now?

The other side of the coin of CEO compensation not being related to real-world concern is that CEO compensation isn't related to any real-world concern.

There is no reason to think it will increase or decrease due to such a change.

Re: Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal

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Post by [deleted] »

bragr wrote: post #211
Justsignedup wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution to like 90% of all problems: The CEO is legally responsible for every illegal action taken by the company. This is also true for all managers down to the department that caused the illegal action. That's it. Nothing else. You'll see a massive amount of bad behavior from companies instantly stop. When your neck is on the line, you won't do it. Or you'll quit. However given history, this will never occur.…

>The CEO is legally responsible for every illegal action taken by the company. You think CEO compensation is out of control now? Think about what you'd have to pay someone to be the CEO of any moderately large corporation if that were the case. You think your boss is up your ass now? Think about what they'll be like when they are strictly liable for anything you do. I'm not against more executive responsibility, but…

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