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Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by WD-42 »

PopAlongKid wrote: post #244
orra wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I obviously don't begrudge the fact Thunderbird currently works for you. But there are a few issues with the current UI: * Dark mode didn't exist for a long time, and I'm glad it does, but messages are still displayed brightly. * The list of emails always has a columns and a header; there's no simplified vertical view. * There's a threading view, but IIRC it doesn't combine sent and received messages into the same th…

>it doesn't combine sent and received messages into the same thread view. As I posted above, there is a setting for saving sent emails in the inbox along with received messages, so that threads are complete.

I had no idea that's what that setting would do. Not having my replies in threads has always been a huge annoyance.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by yieldcrv »

zvmaz wrote: post #116

The tone and level of entitlement of some comments is astonishing. Thunderbird is a free and open source tool, used by many (including me). The least we can do is to be a little nicer.

There is far too much competition and non monetary incentives in FOSS to not have opinions and entitlement.

FOSS is only good because of competition and entitlement.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by slondr »

bhauer wrote: post #290

I was prepared for disappointment, given the sad direction most desktop applications have been heading in the past decade. But admittedly, it looks pretty dang good. Looking forward to giving it a test drive! It hit me that they may be listening to their users more than most desktop app developers when I scrolled to the section about display density. The overwhelming majority of modern desktop apps have exploded the…

> I'm guessing this is not an Electron app. If I am right, that alone deserves praise.

Thunderbird is, and has always been, essentially a Firefox distribution which implements an MUA instead of a web browser.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by mixmastamyk »

bhauer wrote: post #290

I was prepared for disappointment, given the sad direction most desktop applications have been heading in the past decade. But admittedly, it looks pretty dang good. Looking forward to giving it a test drive! It hit me that they may be listening to their users more than most desktop app developers when I scrolled to the section about display density. The overwhelming majority of modern desktop apps have exploded the…

> window size should not be assumed

Yes, I have a 3:2 lappy and a second monitor in portrait. Forced widescreen layouts are a no-go here. Thankfully the article implies new options, rather than "Dieter from Shprockets" knows best.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by velosol »

petre wrote: post #203
velosol wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got over 10GB in my profile and have no issue although I use maildir and I believe I converted precisely because it was so slow.

Can you switch the thunderbird mail storage to Maildir? I've got Maildir on the server, but locally it stores in a regular Mailbox and builds an index file.

It's possible, I was able to use the method listed under (2) at [1] but it was a few hours of fiddling/restoring backups and even a "102% completed" message before I got it to work. I don't have my notes from the but I believe it involved a second profile at one point so probably pretty similar to method (3) in the end.

[1]: https://tinyapps.org/blog/202207100700_thunderbird-mbox-to-m...

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by velosol »

yetanother12345 wrote: post #326
velosol wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which do you default to for someone coming from years of Thunderbird usage? How in-your-face is compact mode toggle in the ootb experience for a fresh install? And sadly how many people are going to be new to Thunderbird these days? If I got the 'polished' version as part of the normal update cycle I'd be upset that my tight, space-efficient and incredibly responsive productivity app had decided to use a design langu…

>"If I got the 'polished' version as part of the normal update cycle I'd be upset" Thanks! Glad you mentioned it! On Linux the Thunderbird update is just one among many other updates in an update batch, so usually it will just be installed with the rest of the updatable items. I will have to pay attention now, so I don't install this unwittingly. > "The point of email is to communicate information" Deserves repetitio…

For Windows they're not pushing current 102 users to the new design yet. This matches some of the previous rollouts where the auto-upgrade branch is treated a bit more like 'stable' or 'ESR' might be in Linux and Firefox ESR.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by hendersoon »

yetanother12345 wrote: post #328
hendersoon wrote: post #277

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I have engaged with it. They definitely aren't receptive and development moves excruciatingly slowly, but I wouldn't attribute that to being negative so much as strictly limited resources. Thunderbird is what it is; if you find it useful in its current incarnation use it (I do), but don't expect it to noticeably improve at the rate we've come to anticipate from other open-source projects. Even though Thunderbird is v…

> "it just doesn't move very quickly." Which is an advantage, not a problem. I do not change my user behaviour regarding email often (if at all), so I really have no need or desire to see the tool I use for email changing (at all). Every change brings with it a cost that the user must pay.

Strongly disagree. Multi-line rows in particular have been missing from Thunderbird (and ONLY Thunderbird) for 20 years.

That is not an exaggeration, Outlook had them 20 years ago. People expected this feature, 20 years ago. I myself posted in the bugzilla issue 20 years ago.

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